At what price conception?

by wasasister 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Silverleaf
    Silverleaf

    Hi all,

    I don't really know how I would deal with someone in your co-worker's position. I did not have any trouble getting pregnant with either of my children and I can't imagine what it must be like to want a child and not be able to have one.

    I think adoption is an alternative that a lot of people don't consider because they feel they have a right to have their own biological child. I don't necessarily agree that that is a right. By the same token everyone has a right to two working legs, eyes, ears, hands, etc, and some people have to learn to live without those things. If you cannot have a biological child I think at some point it becomes time to accept that it's just not going to happen and move on - either with adoption or foster care, or some other alternative even if that alternative is learning to like being childless.

    I think if someone is willing to spend that much money on fertility treatments that's their decision. However I strongly disagree that medical insurance should cover more than one round of any fertility treatment. Some people can't afford insurance for necesasry medical care and fertility treatments drive up the already ridiculous cost of insurance. I apologize to anyone I may offend, but I'm very much against medical insurance covering fertility treatments especially since only now is it starting to cover birth control. There is a double standard there that I don't think is acceptable.

    Joanna, as far as the McCoy's - their situation enrages me. I agree with how ludicrous it sounds - God's will that they have seven children! Please. What bothered me about the situation is their first child wasn't even a year old when Bobbie concevied the septuplets. Most doctors would tell a woman to wait at least a year before trying to conceive again - or before even worrying about not being able to conceive again. I think Bobbie was greedy and her greed has cost at least two of her children their health. Two of the children have developmental problems and I've seen interviews with Bobbie and I think she seems rather harried by the task of raising 8 children. She got much more than she bargained for and I think she needed a swift kick more than she needed seven babies.

    Sorry for the rant,

    Silverleaf

  • Sara Annie
    Sara Annie

    My husband and I discussed this issue before we were married, just to make sure we were on the same page. We both wanted children, and knew that with my medical history there may have been some setbacks in conception. We decided that if we weren't able to conceive naturally after a reasonable period of time that we would explore the fertility treatments available, but we also decided that the pursuit of the creation of a child with our combined genetic material wasn't worth spending tens of thousands of dollars we did not have, nor the heartache of knowingly creating embryos that have a less than even chance of survival. We decided that if we were unable to have children without going to extreme measures, we would pursue adoption or decide to remain childless. (I can't imagine entering into a marriage without discussing such matters--In my mind there are three major deal-breaker issues that you have to have a consensus on if your marriage is to survive: Money, Religion, and Children)

    We have two children. Both were conceived with a little bit of pharmaceutical help, and I can't picture life now without them. We were lucky enough to have the family we wanted with a minimum amount of invasive and ethically questionable activities or treatments. Heck, I took a pill everyday to NOT have a baby for years, taking a pill once a day for a few months was a pretty small price to pay.

    I do understand the desire to have children and I believe that people should have the choice to pursue medical avenues to aid in conception. Where it becomes a problem, in my opinion, is when people do so the exclusion of all other options. If a couple who earns only a modest amount of money (or a wealthy couple for that matter) decides to spend 50 grand trying to get pregnant, there's something wrong with that picture. At some point, the reasons people should have children have gotten lost in the quest for the holy grail of reproducing your genetic mix. It's a form of hubris to think that our genes must be passed on to a new generation, while ignoring the fact that there are other ways to impact the world by shaping the character of another human being. If extreme measures are taken, I say call a spade a spade, and don't drape it in the cloak of "God's will" or "medical miracles". Present it for what it is: A relatively selfish desire to have your own biology go forward.

    Having a child a deeply personal choice, and I don't think anyone should regale other people with tales of the specifics of the medical barriers or the cost involved. Around the time I became pregnant with our first child, there was a woman in my office who had been trying for a few years to get pregnant and was spending (by her own account) upwards of $25 thousand dollars in that pursuit. I remember the hushed voices of other employees admonishing everyone not to 'celebrate' other people's pregnancies around this woman. She would burst into tears and rail against the unfairness of life when she found out that someone else was expecting a child. She herself told us how, when her own sister announced that she was going to have a baby, she threw herself onto the couch and sobbed, and that she didn't know why her sister would make such a 'cruel announcement in her presence'. Her histrionics were horribly distasteful, and I had a very hard time being sympathetic for someone who apparently took such delight in garnering the sympathy of others without ever once considering that other people had their own problems and setbacks. I wanted to tell her "Life's tough all over, sister. Get over yourself." Her personality in this respect, and others, made me wonder what kind of mother she would be when/if she did have a child.

    Now, with all of that said, should the particular co-worker you describe receive any sort of special treatment as the absences she has taken for Dr. visits? No. Should the fact that her fertility quest has made her a less valuable and dependable employee be reflected on her work record? Yes. Should insurance cover extraordinary costs associated with pursuing pregnancies? Absolutely not. Should she be allowed to pursue pregnancy at all costs? That's an ethical question, and the area of bio-ethics is one hell of a mine-field to navigate. I became interested in the field while reading a novel a while back and my research into field was both interesting and absolutely terrifying at the same time. The questions are sticky when you push into morality as decision-making. I don't have the answers.

    (A comment on the McCaughey's (sp?)... I always thought it was alarming that they had thousands of dollars to spare trying to get pregnant, but no money for dental care. That woman's teeth were atrocious--I remember they had to airbrush them on the cover of Newsweek to 'clean her up' a bit. But hey, having seven babies led someone to donate her braces and bridgework, so I guess that problem took care of itself...)

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM

    I have two healthy children but I also miscarried due to a fall. I believe that no one can understand what it is like to want a child, unless you have been in their shoes.

    Thunder and I want to have another two but he has had a vasectomy because we thought that we would never want more children WRONG! Would I use invitro yes but if I had multiple viable eggs I would NEVER have them implant more than three. Yes, it reduces the odds of a pregnancy but I could never due selective elimination of an egg. The clinic here also never implants more than three.

    I choose not to judge people that resort to other methods such as the different multiple pregnancies. I have my own feelings about it but as I said I am not in their shoes. I do wish that adoption was easier and handled correctly in this country(America) we have children rotting in foster homes yet their are parents that would love to have them.

    I personally, when I thought we were done having children donated eggs. I was the only egg donor to demand to know what kind of people were wanting the eggs, that they wanted a child not just a new toy. That they were normal and well-adjusted and that only one couple would use them and they would remain frozen for subsequent pregnancies. I chose not to "know" who they were specifically, I did find out from being my nosey self that they had a girl that is about 8 years old. Thunder was really against me knowing more, he was afraid I would find out they weren't raising her the "right" way and I would intervene.So I just know basic things. I was shocked other donors didn't seem to care were their eggs went. To me I gave a great gift and by God I wanted someone that would appreciate that. I had to undergo intensive psychological tests and medical but you know the parents didn't, go figure!

    I also have a step sister that found her husband had no sperm, he had undecended testes. They used his Father's sperm and had two boys. The procedure cost about the same each time $10,000.00 but for some weird reason they just seem to never be with either of the boys. Basically my step-Mom and Dad has them all the time. Many in my family jusdge their choice of donors etc. You know I judge that they wanted them so much but pay no attention to them .

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  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    My questions to you: What are your views of taking extraordinary means to conceive a child? Is it worth the risks, moral choices, financial costs??

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    $25.00. I charge $25.00 (pensioner discount and early in the morning $15.50)

    g'day wassa,

    The overwhelming primal urge to replicate ourselves may well be the downfall of the human race. (are we sown with the seeds of our own destruction?) Oops, i'm answering a question with more questions.

    On a more personal level i can't help but wonder how much human culture has to do with many a womans and or her partners desire/drive to 'bear fruit'. Is the old patriachal 'baren woman' syndrome still alive and well and living in a suburb near you? Some woman do decide to have children out of a deep need to feel loved wanted and needed. (some of which i don't think babies were meant for or able to provide)

    I think the technology has gone ahead of commonsence on this one.

    cuddling wildlife not humans, unc

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