Proof of an IMMORTAL soul--?
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Proof for the IMMORTAL soul triggered my doubt on JW teachings!
by abiather 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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cofty
Abiather. - Your beliefs depend on a woeful ignorance of science and a freedom to assert extraordinary things without evidence.
there are people whose bodies mysteriously thwart decay
Nonsense.
This fresh corpse (which is yet to start the process of decaying) too has brain intact! Yet consciousness is not there
The brain is not intact. At the level of the cell the mechanisms of respiration are all broken down.
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Heisenberg
Your post is illogical. That is all. -
abiather
Witness My Fury & cofty
Purpose of my posting the above information is simple, and good-intentioned!
I have two phases to my life:
1) When I was believing “I am nothing more than material elements—‘I am dust into which I will return.’
2) When I started believing I am an immortal soul in this physical vehicle called body.
When I compare, my present life is better! Because it gives me better control over my thinking, hence on all other actions! I will explain:
You don’t feel like smoothening the road when you have a soft rubber chapel. Similarly, when you have correct knowledge about who you are, all types of experiences in your life become manageable—you will no longer be elated over the pleasant experiences and will no longer be troubled over the unpleasant experiences. Hence first know WHO ARE YOU? Look at yourself for the answer. There is something in you, an invisible entity that observes all the activities of your waking hours. At night, when you enter the deep sleep state of consciousness, this invisible being (your inner self, your Soul) remains constantly awake, and in the morning reports to you on your dream experiences and the blissful oblivion of sleep. You have also observed, in the case of others, that once the Soul leaves its seat, their body turns into a trash! That means you are basically a Spirit Being, and your body is like a costume or a vehicle.
That means the Soul is MORE IMPORTANT than the body. This “true vision” is the key to deal with ALL types of experiences in your life! The soul is THE EXPERIENCER! And experience exists in the EXPERIENCER, hence will vary from person to person [For example: a flower is experienced one way by a lover, devotee, poet, scientist, flower-merchant ….; and some commit suicide at some bad news whereas many others take the lesson from even worst experience and move ahead]. It also means, if there is NO EXPERIENCER, then there is NO EXPERIENCE at all! That means EXPERIENCER is greater than the experience, and is FREE to remain unaffected by any type experience. No matter what happens, you have the freedom to view them in any way you like! If you decide to view all types of experiences as neutral, then they will seem to you as neutral—you will never be overwhelmed by any experience at any time. When the mind says ‘I am hurt,’ you can change that experience by simply changing the thought (which is actually the talk of your mind). Change the talk (“I am hurt”) into ‘I am FREE to view either I am hurt or I am not hurt.’ When you thus change your mind’s talk, you are actually moving into a space above your experience, and will see this experience as one of the past experiences, like traffic on the road being viewed from above a building. Result? Your present painful experience ceases to be painful! It becomes just one of the many NEUTRAL incidents which are connected by the Law of Cause and Consequences!
In reality, all happenings are neutral and connected to each other, like tree containing the seed and seed containing the tree—cause becoming the effect and effect becoming the cause. For example, Traffic increases, and Government decides to construct a new Express Highway! This is a neutral event, and you are neither happy nor unhappy about it. When you come to know that Express Highway is going to touch your city, you are very happy! Then you come to know that Express Highway is going to pass right through your house (which means you have to relocate your house), then you are sad! That means your ego takes a neutral event and interprets it as good or bad depending upon its convenience and limited vision!
In contrast, when you know you are an immaterial soul in this body, you begin to make use of the infinite potential of that IMMATERIAL soul and transcend ALL TYPES of experiences and enjoy them all!
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abiather
Witness My Fury & cofty
Purpose of sharing the above information is simple, and good-intentioned!
I have two phases to my life:
1) When I was believing “I am nothing more than material elements—‘I am dust into which I will return.’
2) When I started believing I am an immortal soul in this physical vehicle called body.
When I compare, my present life is better! Because it gives me better control over my thinking, hence on all other actions! I will explain:
You don’t feel like smoothening the road when you have a soft rubber chapel. Similarly, when you have correct knowledge about who you are, all types of experiences in your life become manageable—you will no longer be elated over the pleasant experiences and will no longer be troubled over the unpleasant experiences. Hence first know WHO ARE YOU? Look at yourself for the answer. There is something in you, an invisible entity that observes all the activities of your waking hours. At night, when you enter the deep sleep state of consciousness, this invisible being (your inner self, your Soul) remains constantly awake, and in the morning reports to you on your dream experiences and the blissful oblivion of sleep. You have also observed, in the case of others, that once the Soul leaves its seat, their body turns into a trash! That means you are basically a Spirit Being, and your body is like a costume or a vehicle.
That means the Soul is MORE IMPORTANT than the body. This “true vision” is the key to deal with ALL types of experiences in your life! The soul is THE EXPERIENCER! And experience exists in the EXPERIENCER, hence will vary from person to person [For example: a flower is experienced one way by a lover, devotee, poet, scientist, flower-merchant ….; and some commit suicide at some bad news whereas many others take the lesson from even worst experience and move ahead]. It also means, if there is NO EXPERIENCER, then there is NO EXPERIENCE at all! That means EXPERIENCER is greater than the experience, and is FREE to remain unaffected by any type experience. No matter what happens, you have the freedom to view them in any way you like! If you decide to view all types of experiences as neutral, then they will seem to you as neutral—you will never be overwhelmed by any experience at any time. When the mind says ‘I am hurt,’ you can change that experience by simply changing the thought (which is actually the talk of your mind). Change the talk (“I am hurt”) into ‘I am FREE to view either I am hurt or I am not hurt.’ When you thus change your mind’s talk, you are actually moving into a space above your experience, and will see this experience as one of the past experiences, like traffic on the road being viewed from above a building. Result? Your present painful experience ceases to be painful! It becomes just one of the many NEUTRAL incidents which are connected by the Law of Cause and Consequences!
In reality, all happenings are neutral and connected to each other, like tree containing the seed and seed containing the tree—cause becoming the effect and effect becoming the cause. For example, Traffic increases, and Government decides to construct a new Express Highway! This is a neutral event, and you are neither happy nor unhappy about it. When you come to know that Express Highway is going to touch your city, you are very happy! Then you come to know that Express Highway is going to pass right through your house (which means you have to relocate your house), then you are sad! That means your ego takes a neutral event and interprets it as good or bad depending upon its convenience and limited vision!
In contrast, when you know you are an immaterial soul in this body, you begin to make use of the infinite potential of that IMMATERIAL soul and transcend all the experiences and enjoy them all!
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abiather
Witness My Fury & cofty
Purpose of sharing the above information is simple, and good-intentioned!
I have two phases to my life:
1) When I was believing “I am nothing more than material elements—‘I am dust into which I will return.’
2) When I started believing I am an immortal soul in this physical vehicle called body.
When I compare, my present life is better! Because it gives me better control over my thinking, hence on all other actions! I will explain:
You don’t feel like smoothening the road when you have a soft rubber chapel. Similarly, when you have correct knowledge about who you are, all types of experiences in your life become manageable—you will no longer be elated over the pleasant experiences and will no longer be troubled over the unpleasant experiences. Hence first know WHO ARE YOU? Look at yourself for the answer. There is something in you, an invisible entity that observes all the activities of your waking hours. At night, when you enter the deep sleep state of consciousness, this invisible being (your inner self, your Soul) remains constantly awake, and in the morning reports to you on your dream experiences and the blissful oblivion of sleep. You have also observed, in the case of others, that once the Soul leaves its seat, their body turns into a trash! That means you are basically a Spirit Being, and your body is like a costume or a vehicle.
That means the Soul is MORE IMPORTANT than the body. This “true vision” is the key to deal with ALL types of experiences in your life! The soul is THE EXPERIENCER! And experience exists in the EXPERIENCER, hence will vary from person to person [For example: a flower is experienced one way by a lover, devotee, poet, scientist, flower-merchant ….; and some commit suicide at some bad news whereas many others take the lesson from even worst experience and move ahead]. It also means, if there is NO EXPERIENCER, then there is NO EXPERIENCE at all! That means EXPERIENCER is greater than the experience, and is FREE to remain unaffected by any type experience. No matter what happens, you have the freedom to view them in any way you like! If you decide to view all types of experiences as neutral, then they will seem to you as neutral—you will never be overwhelmed by any experience at any time. When the mind says ‘I am hurt,’ you can change that experience by simply changing the thought (which is actually the talk of your mind). Change the talk (“I am hurt”) into ‘I am FREE to view either I am hurt or I am not hurt.’ When you thus change your mind’s talk, you are actually moving into a space above your experience, and will see this experience as one of the past experiences, like traffic on the road being viewed from above a building. Result? Your present painful experience ceases to be painful! It becomes just one of the many NEUTRAL incidents which are connected by the Law of Cause and Consequences!
In reality, all happenings are neutral and connected to each other, like tree containing the seed and seed containing the tree—cause becoming the effect and effect becoming the cause. For example, Traffic increases, and Government decides to construct a new Express Highway! This is a neutral event, and you are neither happy nor unhappy about it. When you come to know that Express Highway is going to touch your city, you are very happy! Then you come to know that Express Highway is going to pass right through your house (which means you have to relocate your house), then you are sad! That means your ego takes a neutral event and interprets it as good or bad depending upon its convenience and limited vision!
In contrast, when you know you are an immaterial soul in this body, you begin to make use of the infinite potential of that IMMATERIAL soul and transcend all the experiences and enjoy them all!
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cofty
Abiather - Some of us don't need to lie to ourselves and others in order to have peace in our lives. -
John_Mann
And how the corpse's brain keep oxigen and blood levels?
Consciousness is folk psychology it does not exist. God, soul and consciousness are folk psychology. Read about eliminative materialism.