RE: NORWAY J-Dubs and the possible hold-out by Anthony Morris III

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  • Terry
    Terry

    Re: NORWAYJW’s

    January 2021: The Norwegian state denies state subsidies to Jehovah's Witnesses, citing exclusion policies.

    August 2021: A Norwegian court annuls a disfellowshipping decision by Jehovah's Witnesses.

    May 3, 2022: The Supreme Court of Norway upholds the decision to annul the disfellowshipping.

    October 25, 2022: The County Governor of Oslo and Viken demands changes to Jehovah's Witnesses' practices.

    December 22, 2022: Jehovah's Witnesses' registration as a religious community is revoked.
    —---Anthony Morris III officially stepped down from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses on February 22, 2023.

    March 4, 2024: Oslo County Court rules in favor of the state, upholding the decision to withhold funding and retract registration.

    February 3-14, 2025: The Oslo Appeal Court hears the latest appeal from Jehovah's Witnesses. ____________ The now removed video of former Governing Body member Anthony Morris III as he shows his teeth and g-r-r-r-r's at the camera, "WE WILL NEVER ..." and his subsequent vanishing act (but still in 'good graces') as evidenced by the free housing with WatchTower money seems to provide a reasonable picture of the behind-the-scenes struggle to hang on to $$. Is it really a "Scandal" or a "Cover-up"? Hmmmm...It is mostly JUICY, I'd say. What do YOU say?

  • liam
    liam

    JW vs Norway Feb 2025 -it is finished- with a dramatic ending!

    Finished: The court case between Jehovah’s Witnesses and the state was completed on Friday, February 14, 2025. Now, only the verdict remains.

    Dramatic ending in court Jehovah’s Witnesses suggested a protest

    The religious community’s lawyer disputes that detailed, uncomfortable conversations with minors are currently taking place within the faith community.

    Hans Christian Bergsjo¸

    Journalist

    Published: 14.02.25 - 15:10

    Last updated: 14.02.25 - 15:22

    The last day of the trial opened dramatically. Jehovah’s Witnesses’ lawyer, Anders Stray Ryssdal, attacked the state’s lawyers from the start. He argued that the state had introduced arguments in its closing statement that the faith community had not had the opportunity to refute during the trial.

    Court of Appeal Judge Jorgen Monn granted the state’s lawyers a break to assess the situation.

    When they returned, they stood by their position: The argument, which involved questioning with detailed and uncomfortable intimate questions, had been part of the overall picture presented by the state in the case.

    We dispute that such conversations take place, said Ryssdal.

    This changes the facts of the case, and we deserved the opportunity to present evidence and discuss it further. This comes too late, he added.

    Ryssdal then suggested filing a protest, but in the end, Kare Saeterhaug, an elder in Jehovah’s Witnesses, was allowed to explain the matter and answer questions. He stated that the faith community’s guidance does not require asking more detailed questions than necessary.

    In January 2022, the County Governor of Oslo and Viken decided that Jehovah’s s Witnesses would no longer receive state funding. In December 2022, they also denied the faith community official registration as a religious community. The Ministry of Children and Families supported these decisions.

    The reason for the rulings is the claim that Jehovah’s Witnesses’ practice of exclusion (expelling members) violates children’s rights, particularly their right to protection from psychological violence.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses lost the case in the district court in January 2024. The ruling was appealed and is now being heard in the Borgarting Court of Appeal. The verdict from the Court of Appeal is expected in about a month.

    The purpose of the judicial committees is to guide people back to a healthy relationship with God, argued Sæterhaug, and this should be done in a kind manner. It became clear that there is no oversight of this practice.

    Could it be that some have experienced very detailed and uncomfortable judicial committees? asked Judge Jorgen Monn, referring to several witness testimonies.

    That has never been in line with the guidance given to elders, replied Saeterhaug, who said he was not aware of such cases.

    After the dispute, government attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen continued her closing arguments. She reiterated that the case is about balancing different rights but maintained that the state has shown that minors can be excluded from Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Violating moral laws can lead to exclusion. We have examples involving children as young as 11, she said.

    She also clarified that the state does not intend to interfere with whether religious communities teach that same-sex relationships are wrong or that blood transfusions are prohibited. The government attorney spent time demonstrating how the European Convention on Human Rights grants children the right to protection of their psychological integrity.

    She also argued that the state’s denial of funding and registration is not an infringement on freedom of assembly.

    Gabrielsen concluded by addressing Jehovah’s Witnesses claim of procedural errors.

    In the state’s view, the decisions have been adequately investigated. There is sufficient evidence of the faith community’s practices.

    The state’s proposal is to reject the appeal from Jehovah’s Witnesses, thereby upholding the Ministry of Children and Families’ decision.

    After the state’s arguments, Jehovah’s Witnesses lawyer, Anders Stray Ryssdal, gave a lengthy rebuttal.

    Once again, he strongly criticized government attorney Liv Inger Gjone Gabrielsen. He argued that she had not demonstrated how childrens’ rights are violated within Jehovah’s Witnesses, nor that children are excluded from the faith community.

    He also reiterated that the right to freely leave Jehovah’s Witnesses is upheld, as written resignation is accepted as a valid method of withdrawal.

    The state cannot impose additional conditions, such as making it a pleasant experience to leave, he said.

    Ryssdal also challenged the states many references to comparable rulings in Europe.

    You have to connect the reasoning to the outcome. Every ruling the state has cited supports our position. This is a selective reading of the premises, he said.

    This was countered by government attorney Gabrielsen in her rebuttal.

    You cannot derive so much from conclusions alone. If I had more time, I would have gone into this in greater detail.

    Gabrielsenâ’s colleague, Kristin Hallsjo¸ Aarvik, reiterated that the state believes Jehovah’s Witnesses have not lost any status by being denied funding and registration.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses remain a religious community and retain that status. The decisions do not restrict their religious practice.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1ipfcik/jw_vs_norway_feb_2025_it_is_finished_with_a/

  • ukpimo
    ukpimo

    Did the ex jw community lose the Norway case? I've had some trouble keeping up with the proceedings due to them being translated into English on various platforms.

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