So Fink are you saying that if Canadian youths had access to guns as freely as American youths the incidence of mass shootings would be the same?
Is there nothing different about the USA apart from the quantity of guns?
Why Are Schools Targets Of So Much Gun Violence?
by Brokeback Watchtower 75 Replies latest social current
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LV101
I detest the term "cult-like" WT training but have blathered it right back when it was thrown at me. I wasn't even in WT cult long enough to learn their cult mentality! Took me decades to stand up for myself but, obviously, not in the most constructive way!
Can't believe parents leaving guns around in the homes where children/teens have access to. I can't stand guns but do understand the personal responsibility of protecting oneself/property in this crazy country/world.
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Finkelstein
So Fink are you saying that if Canadian youths had access to guns as freely as American youths the incidence of mass shootings would be the same?
Yes, also the increase amount of teens attending schools in the US,
I think the quantity of guns is major factor but there are also mitigating factors such as racism, economic inequality etc.
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cofty
there are also mitigating factors such as racism, economic inequality etc
Have any of the mass shootings in American schools been motivated by a reaction to racism?
Have any of them been carried out by kids who were from particularly poor families?
Are you grasping at straws?
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Simon
Well doing this lowered the gun violence in two countries namely Australia and England
Except it didn't really. It addressed a blip in the figures due to specific outlying / abnormal incidents - but even before the laws were changed, these countries simply didn't have the same level of gun ownership or gun crime.
Just because something appeared to work somewhere, doesn't mean it's a solution that will work in the US.
First question should be: is it realistic to remove guns from US society? Given that the answer is currently a very clear "no" then any pursuit of doing that is a complete waste of time and energy and, IMO, a distraction and demonstration that the people calling for it are not really genuinely interested in reducing gun deaths but just looking for political point scoring and votes.
Mass shootings make the news but aren't the biggest cause of shooting deaths by a long way. They get far too much attention because of the media and there is evidence that this does cause more such incidents (which is gold for the media outlets).
If people really care about gun crime in general then they should aim to remove the desire for people to legally have guns and to penalize those who have them illegally. Legal gun owners are not the biggest problem when it comes to gun deaths and those who have them won't give them up with the high level of gun crime by illegal owners. So the latter must be addressed first before any restrictions on legal ownership will get enough support to be successful but then will not be as necessary anyway because those people tend not to be the issue and the desire to have guns will naturally drop off as gun crime does.
However, the one thing you will never hear in this debate, certainly from the left, is that they want to do anything to tackle overall gun crime. Why? Because it will disproportionately affect black people who commit a disproportionate amount of all gun crime.
... except for mass school shootings of course, which is why the media focus on it so much and the left is so keen to make it a political issue to attack those who tend to be conservative.
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Finkelstein
Are you grasping at straws?
Well just trying to point out possible social psychological problems teens may have that may spur on violent revenge attacks.
The noted gun possession per capita numbers is not grasping at straws its a known fact.
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Finkelstein
A true American patriarch would say ..........
" I would sacrifice my child's life for the freedom for all citizens of this country to own a gun "
The Republican party (the right) is heavily supported by the NRA.
The Democrats (left) have tried to impose stricter gun sales and regulations for along time now.
Reflectively they were probably on the correct pathway for the good of the country over all.
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humbled
However, the one thing you will never hear in this debate, certainly from the left, is that they want to do anything to tackle overall gun crime. Why? Because it will disproportionately affect black people who commit a disproportionate amount of all gun crime.
... except for mass school shootings of course, which is why the media focus on it so much and the left is so keen to make it a political issue to attack those who tend to be conservative.Simon, There may be a general mindset in America that makes people want to have guns in the first place but for now step away from the matter of gun control.
Shootings in minority communities are distinct from the psychological factors that are involved in mass killings in schools. There seems to be segregation in this bloody matter too.
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Pete Zahut
I hope some major well respected psychologist give us some pointers on this. I'm all for being one's authentic self in a healthy way for them and society in general.
Here you go...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk1ozbng51c
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_Morpheus
A true American patriarch would say ..........
" I would sacrifice my child's life for the freedom for all citizens of this country to own a gun "Hmmm... can you actually find someone who said that..? Im thinking you just made that up because you think it sounded good. You wouldnt just make a quote up would you? You have some source to attribute that too, right?
The Republican party (the right) is heavily supported by the NRA.
so stupid as to not even need to be responded too. But false. Even the left realized how comparatively little the nra gives and backed off that position. Perhaps you didnt get the memo.
Also, congragulations flipper! You managed to go back to ronald regan to assign blame for the current school shootings. Pretty impressive. Im a bit supprised you didnt work Nixon in as well, but reaching back 30 years is impressive in its own right.