That we have very complex abilities within our minds
Making the human brain (mind) the most powerful known thing in the universe. --Imagine that!
Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped 340 Replies latest jw friends
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Fisherman
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dubstepped
Fisherman - Making the human brain (mind) the most powerful known thing in the universe. --Imagine that!
Better watch out Fishy, you sound like an evolutionist. You're right though. The human brain is the most powerful one we know of in the universe. There is nothing else that we truly know of with any evidence. No alien life yet, no god, nothing. Imagine that!
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Old Navy
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Efforts by others to change minds are not futile if one is open minded and searching for truth and the other comes with factual evidence. I'm trying to be open minded here and to understand evolution. Many here have brought evidence for me to look at and to think about. The reason I'm asking questions in the first place is because efforts by others to change minds has finally got through to me.
I agree with your point about "evidence." What I meant about "efforts to change minds" is that if changing someone's mind is the goal of the effort, then the effort will be biased towards that end. A bias that may backfire since most people feel pressured when others insist they "change their minds" and tend to retreat into their beliefs of comfort with reinforcement. Effectively shutting down any ability to candidly evaluate evidence.
Mind Changers often become too pushy and too insistent. Fighters rather than advocates of honest effort to evaluate evidence. Unable to evaluate evidence with a fresh look. Stuck in their own sense of being right.
Their are nearly insurmountable "problems" with the evolution doctrine. Such as:
a. Who wrote the codes for DNA?
b. When did humans become sentient?
c. Why do we desire to create and repair and emotionally "connect?"
and literally thousands of other questions regarding life and all of its incredible diversity.
To my way of thinking, after evaluating the tiniest of details, there is only one answer.
Our life is really about learning and experiencing. That is what we do.
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Fisherman
Our life is really about learning and experiencing. That is what we do.
Including the observation of mechanisms and systems that already exist in the universe, that evolutionists separate from having any agent.
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Driveby
My recollection of the JW literature regarding creationism is how amazing the earth was made just right for us. God made just the right amount of heat from the sun, just the right amount of oxygen for us to breathe, animals and plants for us to eat, etc.
Actually, the opposite is true: Simply put, the earth and everything upon it made us. We are the product of billions of years of evolution. Overwhelming evidence supports this. Some folks criticize what know nothing about. That's what the Governing Body does and that's what we left behind.
Trying to reason that there must be a designer, maker or agent is just an effort to make some sense of it all, but there is no credible evidence to support such beliefs.
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cofty
a. Who wrote the codes for DNA? - Old Navy
Nobody. It's not that sort of 'code'. It's just nucleotides doing their thing. That vast majority of DNA 'code' is meaningless gibberish, filler, parasitic code and broken stuff.
b. When did humans become sentient?
Sentience is a property of most species of complex animals.
c. Why do we desire to create and repair and emotionally "connect?"
Because we are a social species whose speciality is big brains. The ability to connect with other members of our group is essential to our survival and chances of reproduction.
and literally thousands of other questions regarding life and all of its incredible diversity
Keep asking and I will keep answering.
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WhatshallIcallmyself
"a. Who wrote the codes for DNA?"
You presume a 'who' is needed. It's elephants all the way down; who wrote the 'code' for the designer of our DNA? And who coded that particular coder, ad infinitum.
"b. When did humans become sentient?"
That is a good question but it is not relevant for the premise that "Their[sic] are nearly insurmountable "problems" with the evolution doctrine", non sequitur.
"c. Why do we desire to create and repair and emotionally "connect?""
That is a good question but it is not relevant for the premise that "Their[sic] are nearly insurmountable "problems" with the evolution doctrine", non sequitur.
"and literally thousands of other questions regarding life and all of its incredible diversity."
And I wonder just how many of your objections are irrelevant to evolutionary theory, rely on a misunderstanding of evolutionary theory or raise questions that have already been answered by evolutionary theory.
"To my way of thinking, after evaluating the tiniest of details, there is only one answer."
GIGO...
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Old Navy
Their = There (Senior Moment no doubt...)
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Trying to reason that there must be a designer, maker or agent is just an effort to make some sense of it all, but there is no credible evidence to support such beliefs.
Many would reply that we're surrounded by Credible Evidence in virtually all directions, yet not all are able to see it. It may be that there is an intense underlying belief (or fear) which renders them unable to see.
When we admire an impressive work of art or impressive piece of machinery we readily conclude that it was well made by its creator.
Yet, when we look at life in all its incredible diverse glory we are encouraged to conclude that it all arose spontaneously because it was supposed to: no creator required.
Critical thinking or Cognitive Dissonance?
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dubstepped
I would reply that you're reading in what you want to be true rather than what there is evidence for, using old superstitions which are rarely true in life to do so.
Faith or delusion?
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cofty
When we admire an impressive work of art or impressive piece of machinery we readily conclude that it was well made by its creator.
Yes because we know that art asn machinery is made by humans. It doesn't reproduce therefore it isn't subject to the actions of natural selection.
Biology is NOTHING like art or machinery.
Yet, when we look at life in all its incredible diverse glory we are encouraged to conclude that it all arose spontaneously because it was supposed to: no creator required
'Glory'?
What about all the stuff that is amazingly 'designed' to kill and devour other stuff? The microbes that do nothing except kill and reproduce for example?