I was thinking about this as I was re-reading a coming up WT study article.
Fall Guy's premise and supporting premises
a) Can a ransom redeem something which wasn't lost – i.e. 144,000 humans becoming superhuman king/priests?
b) The scenario in No. 1 could never be called a “corresponding” ransom.
c) This blatant imbalance could never be called “perfect justice.”
d) “Like for like.” Explain how this makes any sense of No. 1?
The WTS like to say Jesus was a perfect man like Adam, but was he, he had know god for millions of years, a great deal of that time as the only other being. Jesus had magic powers and firsthand knowledge that Adam did not have.
Waton
I have heard of that about the tree of life. But was that tree obviously different from the other trees? Had god already identified that specific tree; nothing in Genesis seems to say that. The tree of the knowledge of good and bad had been identified to Adam and Eve (maybe indirectly by Adam to Eve).
But did Adam and Eve suddenly know the difference between good and bad when they ate from that tree? If they didn't how what was good and what was bad, could they understand that eating from that tree was bad?
Of course, if the whole story is an allegory, does it have to make sense? Does a talking snake make sense to perfect people when even imperfect can understand that is ludricous?
Half Banana
Yes, human sacrifice...we can even think back to the story of Abraham being told to sacrifice his son. Maybe god knew he was not going to let Abraham go through with literally sacrificing his son, but Abraham didn't, Abraham was willing to actually kill his son because god told him to do it. If you think about it, Jesus literally died and god allowed it, even planned it. So evidently, god did approve of human sacrifice.
btlc,
btlc, there are 581 pages, do you know what page it is on? I am going to read that and come back and amend this; I want to see the specifics for their disagreement.
dubstepped,
1) Two imperfect people sinned yet one coming from his sky daddy could fix it all and somehow balance the scales of justice? Is this just because women don't count?
I'm sure the WTS would say as the head of his "household," Adam was responsible for what his family members did, especially since Adam knew Eve had eaten, did not say that it was wrong, but instead he and his wife hid from god (ludicrous if you think about it), and then Eve blamed the snake and Adam blamed his wife. Neither was repentant, but Adam would be ultimately responsible.
2) And what did it really prove? Jesus wasn't some ordinary human. He had magic powers and Adam nor Eve had those. He had a prehuman existence and relationship with god.
I wondered about that too, how was Jesus like god. He had known god personally for years, as the only other being alive. Then later the angels came, and Jesus was appointed over them.
3) still asked why his father had forsaken him while going through this, not the bastion of strength one expected,
But then the WTS has an excuse for Jesus regarding this. He had always been with god and had his support for millions of years; this was the first time he was completely disconnected from god (crap as usually)
Very excellent points by everyone. Not that hard to see when reading Genesis. By the time I got to the end of reading Genesis, I had so many questions and observations of the confusing and conflicting statements, it took me some time to look up the WTS explanations. They were all what I called dance arounds or work arounds. This is true (without proof) so this is true (what?!). If you don't understand, then faith will be necessary. What!?
