So, let me get this straight ...
America was going to win and the commies were going to loose ... until they decided they didn't fancy loosing and then America decided to loose.
Is that right?
Interesting UK Daily Mirror Article
by DakotaRed 75 Replies latest jw friends
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ozziepost
it would appear that the US was winning the war, just as General Westmoreland said
That's not what "A Bright Shining Lie" says! It seems clear the "locals" i.e. the Viet Cong were always going to win. It just needed time.
the South Vietnamese would still be free
Were they free? Free from what? They certainly weren't free from an American-sponsored despotic regime. Leave 'em to it would seem to have been the best option. After all, aren't they better off for it today?
Cheers, Ozzie
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DakotaRed
So, let me get this straight ...
America was going to win and the commies were going to loose ... until they decided they didn't fancy loosing and then America decided to loose.
Is that right?
Simon, surely, you can spin better than that.
Tet Offensive of 1968 - A Simpler Version
Tet Offensive -- Monica
what are the cause and effects of the TET offensive? and who won this campaign? I don't really get this event! can someone tell me the story in a easier version? I am in the 9th Grade. Monica, Here is an answer to a very complex question. The Tet Offensive of 1968 was an initiative of the North Vietnam Army to have the civilian population of South Vietnam join them in their offensive and efforts to overthrow the South Vietnam Government, forcing the withdrawal of the United States Armed Forces. The Tet Offensive of 1968 was conceived by General Giap, commander of the North Vietnam Army and his staff. General Giap earlier in his career planned and executed the battle at Dien Bien Phu which drove the French out of Vietnam in 1954. During the battle of Dien Bien Phu, General Giap stated he was willing to lose 10 men for every 1 enemy soldier killed, which indicated that a person's life in Vietnam was cheap. By the end of 1966, North Vietnam had suffered large causalities in manpower and supplies through the bombing of the North and the fighting in the South. They consider the war was at a stalemate. North Vietnam would need a major victory if they would continue on with the war. Thus the planning for what is known as the Tet Offensive began with General Giap (Commanding General of the North Vietnam Army) and his staff. The battle of Ka Saun (Jan. 21, 1968) was the prelude to the Tet Offensive of January 31, 1968. The battle at Ka Saun was similar to that of Dien Bien Phu in which the Vietnamese had surrounded their enemy and cut off all land routes for supplies and evacuation. Ka Saun had two objectives besides the obvious objective in defeating the Marines. 1. Diversionary tactic to draw American attention away from the cities of South Vietnam and more towards Khe Sanh. 2. Remind the people of South Vietnam of another battle that took place 14 years earlier at Dien Bien Phu, which would encourage South Vietnamese to join the VC in throwing out the Americans as they did with the French. The North Vietnamese Army fought the battle at Khe Sanh and the National Liberation Front (VC) fought the Tet Offensive, which attacked the cities and provinces throughout South Vietnam.
A cease-fire began on January 30, 1968 for the Vietnamese new year of Tet, which falls on the first new moon of January. On January 31, 1968 the Viet Cong broke their cease-fire and attacked many cities and provinces throughout South Vietnam. In Saigon, a small number of VC (19) were able to reach the American Embassy grounds, but did not gain entry into the embassy itself. In the Northern part of South Vietnam, the city of Hue was taken over by the V.C. and executions of city officials and their families took place. The initial reporting indicated the number of people executed was in the thousands (2,300 persons executed in and around Hue during Tet 68 - Time Magazine 31 Oct 69). Saigon was the center for most if not all of the news agencies that were covering the war in South Vietnam. Tet offensive of 1968 was the first time, during the war, that actual street fighting took place in the major cities. Rear support personnel and MP’s did the initial fighting by American troops until support from infantry and armor could arrive. These men did an outstanding job in defending the cities, airfields and bases along with the embassy. The news media were able to capture this street fighting on tape in addition to the attack on the American Embassy. This new offensive was immediately brought into the homes of American families through reporting by television and the press. The sensationalism of this reporting brought forth a misrepresentation of the actual facts that took place during the Tet Offensive of 1968. The reports led the American people to think that we were losing the war in Vietnam and that the Tet Offensive was a major victory for North Vietnam. This was not the case. The VC suffered such high casualties that they were no longer considered a fighting force and their ranks would have to be replaced by North Vietnamese regulars. The civilian population of South Vietnam was indifferent to both the current regime in South Vietnam and the Viet Cong. The civilian population, for the most part, did not join with the VC during the Tet Offensive. The misreporting, along with Communist and North Vietnamese agents in the United States, led to demonstrations in the streets by Americans in protest of the war. Gen. Giap later wrote in his book, that the news media reporting and the demonstrations in America surprised them. Instead of seeking a conditional surrender, they would now hold out because America's resolve was weakening and the possibility of victory could be theirs. The Wall Street Journal published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy", referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts "to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement." Visits to Hanoi made by persons such as Jane Fonda, former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and various church ministers "gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses." Mr. Tin surmised, "America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win." Mr. Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding General of the North Vietnam Army) had advised him the 1968 Tet Offensive had been a defeat. From 1969 to the end of the war, over 20,000 American soldiers lost their lives in a war that the United States did not have the resolve to win. If General Giap was accurate in his assessment that North Vietnam was going to seek a conditional surrender but stopped due to the sensationalism of the American news media and the anti-war protests following the 1968 Tet Offensive, it follows that those who participated in these anti-war activities and misreporting have to share partial responsibility for those 20,000 + Americans deaths. We won the war on the battlefield but lost it back home on the college campuses and in the city streets.National Liberation Front - (Also Known As) Viet Cong or VC were comprised of South Vietnamese civilians and North Vietnamese advisors who lived in the cities and villages throughout South Vietnam. They were part of the North Vietnamese forces in reuniting the two countries as one. -
William Penwell
Most people are not anti-American but anti-war. After 9/11 the world did feel for the US loss. What most Americans forget is that a number of countries have 9/11 everyday. After that tragic event it was time that the Americans joined the global family and have empathy for others but the world sees the American administration as being arrogant, that is why the Americans are disliked so much.
Will
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Simon
Dakota: face it, you got your asses wupped by some little guys living in the jungle. The important thing that you seem to conveniently overlook is: why were you there fighting in the first place?
The lame excuse for it was: If we don't, the country would turn communist.
Wow ... who let the idiots run the asylum that day?! So what if a country decided to become 'communist' ... it's up to them and none of America's business. Certainly not something for them to go and die over ... or do you think it is?
Some situation in Chile where American CIA forces assassinated and overthrew the democratically elected socialist government and setup a viscious dictator in place (Pinochet).
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DakotaRed
Dakota: face it, you got your asses wupped by some little guys living in the jungle. The important thing that you seem to conveniently overlook is: why were you there fighting in the first place?
Actually, Simon, the US military did not lose one single battle of any significance in Vietnam, including Tet of 68. Vietnam fell 2 years after the last US troops left the country. As to why we were there, there are many good articles on the net about that. If you believe the South Vietnamese are better off today, I ask you to consider the "Boat People" of the late 70s that fled after the North Vietnamese Communists took it over.
Americans, and I imagine even the British, have never been told many truthes about Vietnam and sadly, most don't want to hear them.