The "Organization is Imperfect" Fallacy

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  • metatron
    metatron

    When confronted with hard evidence of corruption or doctrinal error, many Witnesses are now quick to assert that

    "the organization is imperfect" or "they make mistakes sometimes". In this fashion, they can retain their extreme allegiance

    to the Watchtower Society while quietly thinking that its errors are little more than dropping a milk bottle on a marble floor

    - or merely a clerical oversight. Unspoken in this defence is also the quiet thought that whatever horror was discovered is now

    corrected and that divinely directed perfection prevails now that the 'bump in the road' has passed.

    The first problem with this attitude is that any civilized person would be expected to apologize for the wrong done and take

    responsibility for any injuries. The Watchtower Society DOES NOT. Search carefully thru decades of publications and take

    note of the total absence of the simple statement "We made a mistake, we apologize". Because they lack humility, bragging

    to the world that they (and they alone) are "faithful and discreet", APOLOGIES ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION! Such honest

    admissions would detract from their self appointed image as prophets. As Deuteronomy 18 commands, you're not supposed

    to "fear" or hold respect for a prophet who falsely foretells the future. So, by example, the Society refused apologies when they

    were exposed for publishing a misleading Awake article praising themselves in regard to the Holocaust - when in fact they made

    anti-semitic comments and supported parts of Nazi propaganda at the time.

    Indeed, not only apologies are missing - but honest admissions that "we were wrong" are nearly impossible to find. Often, the

    Watchtower simply shifts the blame onto the flock and their "expectations" (stirred up, of course, by widely published Watchtower

    speculations). BY THEIR OWN STANDARDS, in a "judicial committee" , this alone would be grounds for disfellowshipping!

    They avoid responsibity, trying to place the guilt on others.

    Beyond this, can we really attribute hurtful Watchtower mistakes to unknowing error? Or is something more sinister often

    involved? Do they consciously pursue falsehood in some matters?

    Consider the example of chronology: It has been about twenty years or more since an "apostate" elder wrote a detailed

    refutation of the whole "Gentile Times" doctrine. The Society has made no reply or defense, prefering instead to simply repeat

    the 1914 date without any detailed support.

    The situation with blood transfusion is much the same - a total lack of detailed defense - after decades in which the doctrine

    has been carefully refuted, scripture by scripture. In recent years, with the hot breath of internet exposure on their necks,

    the Watchtower has attempted to discreetly walk away from this death-dealing issue - without abruptly triggering a fatal avalanche

    of lawsuits and negative publicity - and, of course, without any apologies for the lives ended by their "mistake".

    The matter of disfellowshipping is similar. Members of the Society's Writing Staff knew twenty years ago that the correct

    scriptural response is to "not treat him as enemy, but admonish him as a brother" - not total shunning. The invention

    of "disassociation" is completely without scriptural support, as Paul commanded "not to eat with anyone called a brother"

    in cases of serious sin, excluding those who fade away without claim of being a "brother".

    Conscious - and deadly - design was seen too in the Society's handling of the Malawi crisis during the 1970's - when they sought

    to protect property in Mexico, in allowing for brothers to obtain false documents thru bribery while refusing Malawi brothers a simple

    escape from death and torture. The detailed Branch correspondence remove any possibility that "we didn't know".

    Finally, Witnesses fail to "put two and two together" in regard to this fallacy. while admitting to themselves that the organization

    makes mistakes, they often take no note of the diminished credibility this creates. Why would anyone in their right mind, pay

    attention to a printing corporation that has been saying that Armageddon is "Soon" FOR ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS?

    If a business failed to deliver a product , ACROSS PARTS OF THREE CENTURIES, why, why, why wouldn't you TAKE YOUR

    BUSINESS ELSEWHERE?

    The evidence should be overwhelming by this point: The problem is not that the Watchtower commits mistakes but rather

    that it doesn't 'own up to them' ---- and that it injures people by conscious design in maintainence of its facade as a modern

    day prophet.

    metatron

  • RunningMan
    RunningMan

    Their attempts to weasel out errors by saying that they had made mistakes in the past, but now everything is perfect, is one of the most annoying things about them.

    They try to claim conditional infallibillity. Everything they say is true and cannot be questioned. Yet, when time proves it to be false, they simply adjust their doctrines, saying that now they are true. The fact that they have changed an obvious error, simply proves that they are righter than they were. The light just keeps getting brighter.

  • acsot
    acsot

    great post - concise, to the point and with devastating logic. Unfortunately, keeping its head buried in the sand will prevent the WTS from ever admitting to their bloodguilt, and much of the rank and file will do as the WTS commands them to do - shut up and keep selling those magazines!

    However, posts like this will help those courageous "lurkers" to see the WTS for what it really is and perhaps start on their own road to freedom.

    Thanks met!

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    Could not have said it better; if only their closed minds would listen.

  • RAYZORBLADE
    RAYZORBLADE

    Excellent post Metatron.

    I enjoyed reading it, and it is always good to see items like this.

    But you know, the sad state of affairs of an active Jehovah's Witness mind will obscure reasoning and rationalization of such obvious errors (Scriptural or otherwise). When your mind is not your own: the answer, sadly enough, is the same unquestioning dedication, regardless of serious the errors are and how harmful they are to people mentally or physically.

    You accept it .

    Occasionally, when an active JW comes on to this forum making a very concerted effort to defend their faith/beliefs and religion. When you direct them to obvious errors and doctrinal debate (even with THEIR NWT Bible) - they will two things: read the scripture and defend the organization; not read the scripture and still defend the organization. What gives? Well we know.

    Because they lack humility, bragging to the world that they (and they alone) are "faithful and discreet", APOLOGIES ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION! - (from Metatrons post)

    Very few, immediately have an epiphany. But at least the seeds of questioning are planted.

    Sad. All the crap that has gone down the tube, and yet they're attending the meetings and reading the same old thing over and over again.

    Meanwhile, the head honchos in Brooklyn keep their masses ensnared and in a death grip with their talons of falsehood.

    Even if this organization went tits-up, their followers wouldn't be long in forming something similar to maintain their lack of so-called, direction.

    Great post Metatron, thanks.

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    Of course, a close allie of this 'the organization is imperfect' defense is the thought 'we never said we were God's prophets' which is normally brought out to counter the scripture in Deuteronomy 18.

    Not true - the society have repeatedly claimed to be God's prophets:

    The following quote is taken from the book β€˜The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah,’ 1971, pp. 58,59,61,66,67.

    <<Who, then, are the group of persons who, toward the beginning of this "time of the end," were commissioned to serve as the mouthpiece and active agent of Jehovah?.... Whom could the real "chariot" of Jehovah's organization roll up to and confront that He might bestow upon this qualified one the commission to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah?.... Jehovah has found and commissioned his modern-day "Ezekiel." It is a composite Ezekiel. It is composed of those dedicated, baptized proclaimers of God's kingdom, who have been anointed with His spirit for their work.... Jehovah commissioned this dedicated, baptized, anointed class of servants to speak to all the nations in His name.... So it was with the anointed, dedicated witnesses of Jehovah back there in the year 1919 C.E. The facts from then on down to this date prove that they received their ordination and appointment and commission for their work in this "time of the end" from Jehovah himself.>>

    Ask yourself, if you are a JW, can you say to an elder that you can take or leave what the WBTS say to you because they are, after all, imperfect men and therefore an imperfect organisation? NO! They will not let you - they will tell you that the GB are God's visible organisation on earth and to ignore them is to ignore GOD HIMSELF! The 'the organization is imperfect' defense only comes into play when embarrased members try to gloss over past mistakes. Under normal conditions the WBTS DEMANDS that they be treated as God's infallible organisation.

  • waiting
    waiting
    They try to claim conditional infallibillity. Everything they say is true and cannot be questioned. Yet, when time proves it to be false, they simply adjust their doctrines, saying that now they are true. The fact that they have changed an obvious error, simply proves that they are righter than they were. The light just keeps getting brighter. - runningman

    "The light just keeps getting brighter." And the elder speaking from the platform smiles with true happiness over that.........while sleepy heads nod approval in the audience.

    And no one - but the writers - are any wiser to the fact that errors have been made & corrected. When these errors corrected come to pass as Old Light, then they will be corrected again. Sometimes the WT has actually gone back to the Former Light when the New Light didn't fit their corporate plan any longer.

    Thus, there's:

    Light

    Light Getting Brighter (changes)

    New Light (corrections/changes)

    Rutherford's Light (which was like looking through a hazy mirror) (means it's wrong, btw)

    Further New Light (more corrections)

    And always in the backlight.......the Former Light, which jw's try to forget they ever believed.

    Whom could the real "chariot" of Jehovah's organization roll up to and confront that He might bestow upon this qualified one the commission to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah?....
    β€˜The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah,’ 1971, pp. 58,59,61,66,67.

    Thanks for all the good thinking, y'all! Lol, WTBTS's been trying to hush their "commission to speak as a prophet" for quite a while now. Jerks.

    waiting

  • Valis
    Valis
    When confronted with hard evidence of corruption or doctrinal error, many Witnesses are now quick to assert that

    "the organization is imperfect" or "they make mistakes sometimes".

    Dude...this is all you had to say...I have been going back and forth w/my mom for a couple days and in the end when I had backed her in the corner with evidence her own actions contradicted the very teachings of JWland she says/..."well I'm not perfect and I don't deserve any respect"...her only retort and all of this the day before she should garner the ultimate respect...the day of my birth.. An old tired ploy in any case...

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • waiting
    waiting
    Consider the example of chronology: It has been about twenty years or more since an "apostate" elder wrote a detailed refutation of the whole "Gentile Times" doctrine. The Society has made no reply or defense, prefering instead to simply repeat the 1914 date without any detailed support. - metatron

    Yeah but..... that "apostate" elder wasn't an apostate at that time. He was an *Elder In Good Standing* who happened to like historical research....and started looking to search out more information. He found The Error.

    He wrote repeatedly to the WTBTS, sending them all his research. It was an obvious error, proven without doubt. The WTBTS disfellowshipped this elder for his Truth. The WTBTS needed The Lie......if no 607BCE, then there's no 1914 according to Bible chronology.

    If there's no 1914, there is no Jesus invisibly coming to the earth to pick out The Faithful and Discreet Slave. If there's no FDS Class...............there is nothing for JW's. Only a book manufacturing corporation hiding as a religion - the ol' profit scam. The WTBTS will never admit their error. Never admit they kill others' spirituality to keep in business.

    waiting

  • crownboy
    crownboy

    Excellent post, metatron.

    However, as has been already said, you might get a more positive response by telling this to a brick wall than you would if you presented this to a "true blue" JW. The mind control element is truly sickening.

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