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Calab, how can you trust those claims that discredit Daniel as the author of the book of Daniel?
And besides that, when I read the book of Daniel, I can not think about anything else than that he is the writer of this book. When did you last time read the book of Daniel?
And may I ask you, how is your relation with Jehovah/Yahweh God?
Imagine Jehovah God as a human parent
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights,
Romans 5:8 But God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
15…For if by one man’s trespass many died, how much more did the undeserved kindness of God and his free gift by the undeserved kindness of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to many! 16 For the judgment after one trespass was condemnation, but the gift after many trespasses was a declaration of righteousness.
Romans 8:32 Since he did not even spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, will he not also, along with him, kindly give us all other things?
Imagine Jehovah God as a human parent
He would be locked up.
Kosonenan hour ago
Imagine Jehovah God
yep--thats the word--imaginary !
"Why are you suprised at the term "disinterested academics"?
You, EasyPrompt, claimed to be an archeologist, remember? You claimed you went to various universities to gain your credentials to officially become this type of expert in one of our discussions.
As a scientist you should be familiar with the need for having a disinterested party to ensure any critical conclusion anyone makes.
It isn't an "oxymoron" to a person who practices your methodology. Without a fellow academic to act as a disinterested party one cannot produce a critical theory, you know that. That is "Science 101," not an oxymoron.
As a Humanistic Jew, while I do celebrate Sukkot, I do not wave the Lulav."
The "academic$" field has more hypocrisy than the WTBT$.
If you want to worship the academics, whatever, go ahead. It's one of the most ridiculous cults there is, but you can do what you want.
Even the most noble-minded of the "academics" are imperfect humans with frailties and foibles. They live and they die. They can't save anyone.
Albert Einstein had a son named Eduard. None of Albert's "academics" could help him.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/eduard-einstein
Only Jehovah can release Eduard and Albert (and the rest of us) from the prison of the grave and cure all their maladies. And He will.
Psalm 146:3-7
"Do not put your trust in princes
Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.
His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground;
On that very day his thoughts perish.
Happy is the one who has the God of Jacob as his helper,
Whose hope is in Jehovah his God,
The Maker of heaven and earth,
Of the sea, and of all that is in them,
The One who always remains faithful,
The One securing justice for those defrauded,
The One giving bread to the hungry.
Jehovah is releasing the prisoners."
("Humanistic Jew" is also an oxymoron.)
Arrogance, pride, anger, conceit, harshness and ignorance-these qualities belong to those of demonic nature, O son of Påthä.
- Bhagavad Gita
Every institution has its traditions/methodologies. "Academia" is no exception.
Empty traditions, traditions without a solid foundation, will fall over when the storm comes.
"For no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each one’s work will be shown for what it is, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire, and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one has built."
Jesus is the solid foundation. He said: "Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I will show you whom he is like: He is like a man who in building a house dug and went down deep and laid a foundation on the rock. Consequently, when a flood came, the river dashed against that house but was not strong enough to shake it, for it was well-built. On the other hand, whoever hears and does nothing is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The river dashed against it, and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great.”
The WTBT$ have a lot of empty traditions, like "counting time" and "disfellowshipping" and "beard fractions no beards" - empty traditions that will be burned up in the stormy days ahead.
Kosonen wrote:
Calab, how can you trust those claims that discredit Daniel as the author of the book of Daniel?
And besides that, when I read the book of Daniel, I can not think about anything else than that he is the writer of this book. When did you last time read the book of Daniel?
And may I ask you, how is your relation with Jehovah/Yahweh God?
Some of the views you have come from the Watchtower and not from mainstream Christianity or Judaism. Like that introduction from the official Catholic Bible I showed you, it is not a "discredit" to claim that there was no historical Daniel. It is just another Watchtower lie that you believe. The view that "Daniel" is a folkhero goes back to Jewish antiquity, which is why the book itself is in the Writings section of the Jewish Tanakh and why Daniel is not listed as a prophet in the Talmud among the propets of Israel.
I read Daniel and the Scriptures almost daily. I am Jewish. I read them in their original languages. My family line can be traced all the way back to the Diaspora. From the Spanish Inquistion through the Holocaust, I have a family line that knows what I am saying to you. I am not making this up. I am passing this on to you.
What you are holding on to is Watchtower teaching. You are even using a Catholic derivative of the Shem HaMephorash or the Ineffable Name--"Jehovah"--a Gentile device which means nothing in Hebrew or to Jewish people. The use of that expression by Jehovah's Witnesses is a superstitious novelty that they use out of fear, believing that they will be punished by this deity named "Jehovah" (of their own creation) that will destroy them and anyone who does not pronounce it (or some derivative of it). In reality, the Shem HaMephorash means that God cannot be labeled or named, and the actual word YHWH may have been from a deity from a foreign tribe of people called the Shasu who lived at one time near Moab.
And Jews do not measure their lives by "their relation" with God--that must be some Christian or JW thing (I sort of remember a thing like that back in the day when I was associating in the 1980s with the Watchtower). Jews try to live lives caring for the earth, seeking out ways of finding practical solutions to problems for the world, finding their purpose for being here and fulfilling it. Since being a Jew is not a religion, some Jewish people believe in God, some do not. And even those who do, the concept of God is very complex in comparison to that held by Christianity. It has not remained static over the centuries and differs from person to person.
Some Jews who do believe in God do not believe in a personal God. And because praying or ritual do not hold the same meaning in Judaism as they do in Christianity, it is not rare to find many atheist and agnostic Jews engaging in prayer and worship. Because of the complexity of Jewish theology in comparison to Christian views of God, there is the ability for Jews to be something called "ignostic" which is not totally possible in the same manner for those raised in Western/Christian thought.
There is more to life than Jehovah's Witnesses and the New World Translation, I promise you.
EasyPrompt wrote:
"Humanistic Jew" is also an oxymoron.
To what end can the denial of God have been created? If someone comes to you and asks your help, you shall not send him off with pious words, saying: "Have faith and take your troubles to God!" You shall act as if there were no God, as if there were only one person in all the world who could help this man--only yourself.--Rabbi Moshe Leib.
KalebOutWest said: "As a Humanistic Jew, while I do celebrate Sukkot, I do not wave the Lulav."
"...humanists interpret the world without any reference to God...As humanist Jews, we reject prayer, worship..." (from the Guardian article)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2009/dec/29/humanistic-judaism-religion
Moses taught the Jews to look for the Messiah, the Christ. The Law and the traditions were put in place for the purpose of getting them ready for the Christ, the one who would help them get closer to God. If any Jews celebrate the rituals and read the texts without heading toward the goal of their fulfillment, then I feel very bad for them, because they're missing the point.
1 Corinthians 15:19
"If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are to be pitied more than anyone."
John 1:17
"Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ."
Luke 10:25-28
"Now look! a man versed in the Law stood up to test him and said: “Teacher, what do I need to do to inherit everlasting life?” He said to him: “What is written in the Law? How do you read?” In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”
Romans 13:10
"Love is the law’s fulfillment."
1 John 4:8
"God is love."
