The Good News Is: The Great-Crowd-Of-Other-Sheep Do Not Exist

by Sea Breeze 15 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Rattigan350

  "There is no 2nd class according to scripture. Ephesians 4:4 mentions only 1 hope."

  There are 144,000 spiritual Israelites that fulfill Jehovah's promise to Israel about Israel becoming kings and priests. Revelation is clear on that they serve in heaven with Jesus.

  There were billions that died before Jesus died and could not be anointed with holy spirit. Their hope is to be resurrect to life on earth

  Then there are the many billions who died after Jesus but were never anointed with holy spirit. They are no different than the ones who died before he did. They are dead and in the grave waiting for the resurrection to life on earth.

  Then there are the ones who don't die at all. They are the ones that John sees in Rev 7:14 as a great crowd of people who come out of the great tribulation.
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  BoogerMan

  "Spiritual Israelites" 😀😀😀😀😀

  The cult's perverted wording of Scriptures is deeply ingrained: Galatians 6:16 - "...the Israel of God."

  
  
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  Vanderhoven7

  @Rattigan

  "There is no 2nd class according to scripture. Ephesians 4:4 mentions only 1 hope."
  

  Yes, and there is no such thing as a Christian who is not born of and indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Jn.3:3; Ro.8:9 Neither is there any Christian who cannot call God his Father or who is not justified by the blood of Christ. I Jn.5:1; Acts 13:39

  144,000 is symbolic for the innumerable church of God. John hears the perfect number, Isreal squared and multiplied by 1000 meaning many and then turns to see the actual group in a heavenly setting of victory and celebration. This hearing and then seeing sequence is commonly used by John when displaying his symbols in Revelation. Eg. He hears the lion and turns and sees the Lamb.

  It is never wise to base essential doctrine on Revelation or apocalyptic literature.
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  Rattigan350

  Spiritual Israelites are the Israel of God. Same thing.

  "Yes, and there is no such thing as a Christian who is not born of and indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Jn.3:3; Ro.8:9 Neither is there any Christian who cannot call God his Father or who is not justified by the blood of Christ. I Jn.5:1; Acts 13:39"
  
  There are millions of Christians who have not been anointed with holy spirit. Anointed, not born of and indwelt by the holy spirit.
  
  As for Romans 8:9 "you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you."
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  Beth Sarim

  The Borg takes part of the Revelation scriptures as literal,,,then a few sentences later its symbolic.

  Confusing? No??
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  Vanderhoven7

  @Rattigan

  "There are millions of Christians who have not been anointed with holy spirit. Anointed, not born of and indwelt by the holy spirit."

  Then they are simply professed Christians trying to serve God in the flesh as all religionists do. There are no exceptions. Jn.3:3

  As for Romans 8:9 "you are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in you."

  Let’s not take the verse out of context.

  8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9¶But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

  
  

  Do you have the indwelling Holy Spirit Rattigan?

  
  

  10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you....

  14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

  
  

  Are you are indwelt by and led by the Spirit of God? If so, this follows

  
  

  15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

  16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

  17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

  
  

  So, have you received the Spirit of adoption; are you a child of God and a joint heir with Christ Rattigan?

  
  

  If not, you do not belong to Christ and you are merely serving in your flesh and in your own strength as all non-Christians and professed Christians do.