Carp(e) Deus? The Word made Fish?

by Nathan Natas 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,915125,00.html

    Word is made flesh as God reveals himself... as a fish

    Edward Helmore New York
    Sunday March 16, 2003
    The Observer

    An obscure Jewish sect in New York has been gripped in awe by what it believes to be a mystical visitation by a 20lb carp that was heard shouting in Hebrew, in what many Jews worldwide are hailing as a modern miracle.

    Many of the 7,000-member Skver sect of Hasidim in New Square, 30 miles north of Manhattan, believe God has revealed himself in fish form.

    According to two fish-cutters at the New Square Fish Market, the carp was about to be slaughtered and made into gefilte fish for Sabbath dinner when it suddenly began shouting apocalyptic warnings in Hebrew.

    Many believe the carp was channelling the troubled soul of a revered community elder who recently died; others say it was God. The only witnesses to the mystical show were Zalmen Rosen, a 57-year-old Hasid with 11 children, and his co-worker, Luis Nivelo. They say that on 28 January at 4pm they were about to club the carp on the head when it began yelling.

    Nivelo, a Gentile who does not understand Hebrew, was so shocked at the sight of a fish talking in any language that he fell over. He ran into the front of the store screaming: 'It's the Devil! The Devil is here!' Then the shop owner heard it shouting warnings and commands too.

    'It said "Tzaruch shemirah" and "Hasof bah",' he told the New York Times, 'which essentially means that everyone needs to account for themselves because the end is near.'

    The animated carp commanded Rosen to pray and study the Torah. Rosen tried to kill the fish but injured himself. It was finally butchered by Nivelo and sold.

    However, word spread far and wide and Nivelo complains he has been plagued by phone calls from as far away as London and Israel. The story has since been amplified by repetition and some now believe the fish's outburst was a warning about the dangers of the impending war in Iraq.

    Some say they fear the born-again President Bush believes he is preparing the world for the Second Coming of Christ, and war in Iraq is just the opening salvo in the battle of Armageddon.

    Local resident Abraham Spitz said: 'Two men do not dream the same dream. It is very rare that God reminds people he exists in this modern world. But when he does, you cannot ignore it.'

    Others in New Square discount the apocalyptic reading altogether and suggest the notion of a talking fish is as fictional as Tony Soprano's talking-fish dream in an episode of The Sopranos .

    Stand-up comedians have already incorporated the carp into their comedy routines at weddings. One gefilte company has considered changing it's slogan to: 'Our fish speaks for itself.'

    Still, the shouting carp corresponds with the belief of some Hasidic sects that righteous people can be reincarnated as fish. They say that Nivelo may have been selected because he is not Jewish, but a weary Nivelo told the New York Times : 'I wish I never said anything about it. I'm getting so many calls every day, I've stopped answering. Israel, London, Miami, Brooklyn. They all want to hear about the talking fish.'

    A devout Christian, he still thinks the carp was the Devil. 'I don't believe any of this Jewish stuff. But I heard that fish talk.'

    He's grown tired of the whole thing. 'It's just a big headache for me,' he added. 'I pull my phone out of the wall at night. I don't sleep and I've lost weight.'

  • Gamaliel
    Gamaliel

    Did it speak with a BASS voice?

  • gumby
    gumby

    According to two fish-cutters at the New Square Fish Market, the carp was about to be slaughtered and made into gefilte fish for Sabbath dinner when it suddenly began shouting apocalyptic warnings in Hebrew.

    First of all....the 57 year old dude was already crazy cuz it says he had 11 kids.

    Then second guy was also nuts cuz he thought the devil was talking

    And third......had they kept up on their bible reading they would have known that there is nothing unusual about talking animals/mammals

    If a snake and a donkey can talk.......why not a carp?

    Gumby

  • COMF
    COMF

    What a load of carp.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Jewish gifts: the old testement and the new testement. Now, live (has it been eaten yet) from new york (the second most holy jewish city) the fish testement!!!

    SS

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Sing along!

    I don't know why I love her like I do
    All the changes you put me through
    Take my money, my cigarettes
    I haven't seen the worst of it yet
    I wanna know that you'll tell me
    I love to stay
    Take me to the river, drop me in the water
    Take me to the river, dip me in the water

    Washing me down, washing me down

    I don't know why you treat me so bad
    Think of all the things we could have had
    Love is an ocean that I can't forget
    My sweet sixteen I would never regret

    I wanna know that you'll tell me
    I love to stay
    Take me to the river, drop me in the water
    Push me in the river, dip me in the water
    Washing me down, washing me

    Hug me, squeeze me, love me, tease me
    Till I can't, till I can't, till I can't take no more of it
    Take me to the water, drop me in the river
    Push me in the water, drop me in the river

    Washing me down, washing me down

    I don't know why I love you like I do
    All the troubles you put me through
    Sixteen candles there on my wall
    And here am I the biggest fool of them all

    I wanna know that you'll tell me
    I love to stay
    Take me to the river and drop me in the water
    Dip me in the river, drop me in the water

    Washing me down, washing me down.

    - Talking Heads: Take Me to the River

  • hippikon
    hippikon

    Why not - Makes as much sense as anything else I've read in the bible

  • gumby
    gumby

    Nathan,

    Did you just have a mild stroke?

    You just started singing out of the blue and totally off topic. Give me a call dude.....I'm here to help you. (ya silly bastard)

    Gumby

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    A carp warning mankind of the coming apocalypse?

    I thought April fools' day was at least two more weeks away.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    "When in doubt, refer to P.T. Barnum."

    Farkel

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