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Beth Sarim

Farmer Jim 1;;

Suggested a few posts back about "apathy".

It has been commented several times over the years and YES,, agreed upon that ""apathy" is what is working against the most.

Apathy is whats doing a number on the Borg.

Vidiot

Apathy… burnout… Covid… dwindling finances… litigation…

…the hits keep coming.

hoser

Apathy

This isn’t my grandmothers religion.

They’re all soft and don’t care

ExBethelitenowPIMA

Apathy = JWlite

The top dogs don’t seem to mind it, it is what will keep the con going where it would have collapsed by now.

There are still the hardliners, who tell parents off because their kids are not zealots who just want cleaning jobs so they can pioneer. Those parents just say they don’t want their children to struggle like they did because they only got cleaning jobs to pioneer.

the two new younger members of the GB seem to mark a new period of JWlite. The load is getting lighter and the yoke is far more comfortable.

Otherwise there won’t be enough sisters left to do microphones let alone brothers

Vidiot

ExBetheliteNowPIMA - “…The top dogs don’t seem to mind it…

Don’t kid yourself.

I guarantee you they mind it very much.

They just can’t truly understand it.

Teddnzo

Ron’s list with some additions:-

if the watchtower's plan is to quietly wind the jw religion right down to JWLITE just an almost entirely online religion. The yoke is very comfortable with almost zero load.

1.The first step, sell as many kingdom halls as possible leaving a skeleton selection of halls that lots and lots of congregations share. Some having to travel a long way. But it’s ok mostly zoom meetings just try to get to in person a few times per year.

2. Get as many donations on a regular basis from the remaining kingdom halls publishers.

3.Decrease the regular and auxiliary pioneer hour requirement even more.

4.Reduce the circuit overseers visit to just a couple of days. Wednesday first ministry group, one midweek meeting and a nice easy weekend.

5.Get rid of district overseers completely.

6.Lay off as many at bethel worldwide as possible. Send them back to the field and wash their hands of them, ask members of congregations to look after them.

7.Reduce the meetings to mainly just watching prepared videos. No preparation needed to take any item.

8.Remove the requirement to count time and submit a monthly report.

9.Allow brothers to have a beard.

10.Cart witnessing and informal park and public place witnessing replaces door to door work. Door to door is only done very seldom for ten mins at a time.

11.Electronic books and magazines and the jw website heavily promoted.

12.Stop printing the wt and awake and release just a few copies a year - or rehash older copies for the public.

13. New light on shunning and disfellowshipping. If person may feel suicidal then don’t have JD, meaning hardly anyone is ever needed to be shunned ever again, Elders ask each other could this make them feel suicidal? Better to be on safe side don’t disfellowship anymore.

14. The big one new light on 1914. “We can’t be dogmatic we just don’t know”

maybe Michael was not Jesus, we just don’t know. Maybe the battle in heaven did not happen in 1914 we just don’t know.

isn’t it wonderful how Jehovah reveals new light just at the proper time.

15. Last minute placing your bets is fine. You can wait to see if their horse comes in or not, then place your bets after. So you can’t lose. If what JWs says starts to happen you can place your bets after, until then place your bets that JWs are wrong. This new lite at 2023AGM changes everything.

Ron.W.

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Excellent Teddnzo - thank you!

Beth Sarim

Whats up with this Ramapo thing?

Is it even going ahead?

Vidiot

re. Teddnzo’s post…

Sure, they can theoretically do all those things, and it actually looks like they just might be attempting to head down that road. It’s pretty apparent by now that they’re really anxious about staying solvent, and if projections indicate that mainstreaming is the only way to stay in the black, they don’t really have much of a choice.

But…

…at what point can you not help but ask “what’s the point?”

All their strict rules, deliberately atypical Biblical interpretations, and dialed-up authoritarianism were the tools they used to “prove” their legitimacy, authenticity, and most importantly, exclusivity…

…i.e. their position as “God’s Earthly Organization”.

Genuine, authentic mainstreaming ultimately involves abandoning that claim, explicitly or otherwise.

But at this point, if the WTS did that, virtually everything they’ve done to shore up that claim for the past century will have been for nothing, and their demand for loyalty and obedience to the Org above all else becomes meaningless.

There’d be virtually zero incentive left to even be a JW.

Vidiot

ExBetheliteNowPIMA - “…there won’t be enough sisters left to do microphones, let alone brothers…”

😂

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