Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user

ukpimo

From Reddit.

A summary of changes:

We are all sinners, so we have to be reasonable how we punish sinners. If elders and congregation do not quickly help someone come to be reinstated they would be imitating Satan the Devil, not Jehovah (yes that actually is what is said in the Tagalog version in translation!) and it practically blames all uber jws for manifesting this satanic attitude, it's a very strong point.

In the box, it is explained marking talks will no longer be done, and marking is something each congregation person will personally choose to do IF eg. the individual is dating an unbeliever or other "minor sins" in WT eyes, marking simply involves not inviting someone to your house or a party for ASSOCIATION, it doesn't mean not talking with them. Box explains the man in Corinth changed within a few months, this is the basis for the change towards disfellowshipping.

Judicial committees are no longer called judicial committees now because judging is only an aspect of their goal, the elders main goal is of mercy, to help gently change the thinking of the wrongdoer, with NO judgement.

Announcements to congregation of a reproval will no longer happen.( Study 34 (paragraphs 16, 17, 18)

Announcement of disfellowshipping an unrepentant wrongdoer, either an apostate, child abuser or someone scheming to end their marriage will take place. There is NO mention of any need to announce disfellowshipping for other offences, unless I need to clarify this when we receive the English edition.

Apostates must be avoided, especially on social media and their websites. To send them messages is like sharing in their wicked works. This is a massive game changer, this really is BIG!

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It's all coming out now. Watchtower responding to legal problems.

Gorb

Not because of love or compassion, but because of legal and money.

Gorby

St George of England

Not because of love or compassion, but because of legal and money.

Absolutely. Money is what this organisation is about.

George

FragrantAddendum

wt cut and pastes scriptures and reorganizes them in an attempt to shore up unscriptural and antichrist wt doctrines

the whole 2 thess 3 "mark and avoid" thing means to mark and avoid people like the gb and the wt hierarchy leaders

it says able-bodied ones who want to be like benefactors and meddle around telling people what to do

not working secularly but living off "voluntary donations"

those are the dudes who are supposed to be avoided

the congregation is told to not let such ones teach the congregation

so by 2 thess chapter 3 all those taking the "special vow of poverty" for "special full time servants" should be avoided

they should be shamed so they turn around, according to those verses

they shouldn't be put on the platform

they shouldn't be clapped for

they shouldn't be given any money/housing/etc by congregations

and they definitely shouldn't be considered "qualified to teach"

Vidiot

Just remember…

… it’s not about maintaining a pimpin’ lifestyle for the GB, or just having wealth for wealth’s sake.

These “reforms” aren’t gonna start filling the donation boxes, and they know it.

This is about keeping their tax-exemption to stave off insolvency.

LongHairGal

FRAGRANT ADDENDUM;

As far as ‘avoiding’ those who don’t work secularly, etc.. a person would have to avoid many Jehovah’s Witnesses because these people are allergic to work - and would rather be out in the ministry.

I believe this latest information is to fool non-Witnesses who might read this into thinking Witnesses are all for secular work, which they certainly are not.. Maybe the old timers who had jobs before they joined the religion and MYSELF fell into this category.. Otherwise, this is a downright lie and contrary to the religion’s culture and teaching.. At best, they urge members to work part-time - which is a joke and nobody could survive on those wages.

The impression I got was that the goal of many younger Witnesses (as urged by the religion) was to do the LEAST amount of secular work - so they could be out ringing doorbells.. The more lazy and nervy among them tried to get money out of people there and all sorts of freebies as well.

YET, these hypocrites made sure I was knocked for having a full-time job. Many JWs wouldn’t be caught dead doing what I was doing.. I was pretty much panned there because of this.. But, if I were there now I would be cornered by fools asking for money - which is why I’m Glad I’m Out.

But hearing this latest news tells me they are wanting to portray themselves to the world as something they are not.

Gorb

It seems the organization is delegate the dissision to avoid / DF someone to the individual jw.

From legal point briliant, for the local social group killing. Reputations will be made and broken.

Gorby

Beth Sarim

From a legal point,, the August WT was delayed.

What other way would there be?

Legal issues & money,,,, its all about retaining its tax free status.

joey jojo

It has become obvious that this organisation will bend over for almost any government that threatens to remove their free cash hand-outs. It is the only thing that seems to incentivise them to act on changes to Government requirements. JW's will fight any goverment all the way to the highest courts to avoid having to answer for matters like child sex abuse.

Yet, even the youngest jw child, old enough to talk is expected to stand up for their faith - with no expectation of reward - and every expectation of humiliation from their peers, on ridiculous matters like birthday parties.

Beth Sarim

Jojo;

We always see the Borg bend,bend, bend & bend when there's even a hint of $$$$ problems or legal issues,,,,

...then a 6 or 7 year old is imposed on with high demands from parents & the Borg just for simply being unfortunate to have been born and raised in it.

We speak from experience here!!

I,,we can all relate!!

Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user

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