The Big Secret

by finishedmystery 11 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • finishedmystery
    finishedmystery

    When the GB brought a formal end to all the type/antitypes in so many ways it could be said that they brought the religion to an end. The other sheep/anointed teaching that leads to a two class religion was originally based on two antitypes--the Jehu/Jehonadab relationship and something about the cities of refuge. In that 2014 annual meeting talk David Splane even specifically stated that the cities of refuge has no antitype. This is no mistake. It was not done unwittingly. They had to know that this was one of the ramifications of ending the antitypes.

    Another is the Malachi 3 antitype that is the basis for saying that JWs are the one true religion. The GB had to have known that the demise of antitypes was ending the Malachi 3 basis for saying they're the one true religion.

    The fulfillment of Rev. 12's birth of the kingdom in 1914 is also based on an antitype, namely the restoration of Nebuchadnezzar's sanity after 7 years. The GB had to have known they were ending this as well.

    It's not like they went on to say "we've ended the antitypes, but we believe that these 3 doctrines are based on solid antitypes." No, they've said nothing at all, which means they know the ramifications of what they've done. They have to believe that there is no theological basis for a two class religion. They have to know that all those prophecies related to the WWI era are effectively in the dustbin. Now what about the 43 'helpers'? Did none of them whatsoever take notice of all this? Is everyone so stupid that this just went over the heads of everyone. How do they keep something like this a secret for so long? I get it that the rank and file are so dumbed down now that they don't think deeply about anything doctrinal, but it's hard to believe that the people at the top are so dumbed down as well.

    Some of you probably know who Wally is with the youtube channel 'jwthoughts'. A couple months ago he produced a video which explored the possible reasons for why they ended the antitypes. He theorized that it might have something to do with power and control, that leaving them in place was somehow causing control problems for them. It's an interesting theory, but I for one am not 100% convinced that it's the true explanation. After all, even though all these antitypes are truly dumb they're still essentially innocuous doing no real harm.

    Right now I would say it's the biggest mystery in the world of JWs both in and out. If ever that expression applied--it would be nice to have been a fly on the wall. Any insights anyone?

    One last point that's probably gone over the heads of everyone. Right now, 10 years and counting, 8.8 million people are in a religion where its ruling council has removed the doctrinal basis for its salvation hope, and I know from personal experience that if you go on to call attention to it you will be under the threat of disfellowshipping for apostasy. In other words, it's now a religion where its ruling council can remove the doctrinal basis for the two class religion and then just imperiously say that it still exists. It is absolute madness that Jehovah's Witnesses are engulfed in, and they don't even know it. Is there a Christian denomination anywhere where its members don't have a salvation hope? Yes, and it's Jehovah's Witnesses, but again, they don't even know it.

    Something that I think is an indicator of the GB's full awareness of what they're doing is that I believe that they've actually adopted in their meetings a doctrine of willful ignorance that was already bad among the rank and file, but now they're aggressively pushing said doctrine. When Splane even said they didn't know if Solomon would be resurrected I knew they had crossed a line of willful stupidity. Psychologists will tell you that the underlying reason for willful ignorance is to avoid taking responsibility. From the standpoint of the religion they have done horrible things to the doctrine of the religion with the demise of antitypes, so it would seem reasonable to say that the new doctrine of willful ignorance has been adopted to avoid being responsible for the things they have done. But again, the antitypes are essentially innocuous. Why do it at all?

    Rick Fearon with his Boston Six Screens on Saturday night frequently says that the GB's admonition to obey them even if said obedience seems illogical from a human viewpoint is sinister. He believes that something sinister is behind it, and I have come to agree with him that it's sinister. Could it be that it's a form of advance damage control just in case the rank and file start figuring out the ramifications of the demise of the antitypes? A form of brainwashing of the rank and file so that if there were to be an expose' that they would just go "ho hum, what else is new"?

    More and more the ex witness community is saying that the GB is part of the man of lawlessness, part of the deity or god of 2 Thessalonians 2. Really, could there be a more wicked and evil and heinous act of lawlessness than to remove the doctrinal basis for the salvation hope of 8.8 million people and then take advantage of their doctrinal ignorance to get away with doing it, and all without any clear reason for doing it?

    Maybe someone will come along with some brilliant insight. God knows, I haven't figured it out.

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  • jhine
    jhine

    Why do they make everything so ruddy complicated? It really isn't.

    Jan from Tam

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  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    I think the fact that certain present GB members are not comfortable with certain specific predictions using the type/antitype model must be put in perspective. They have not abandoned the method in reality and are free to revisit anything said that leads you to believe they did. In the very article (May 2024) that backed away from some specific predictions, they still retained the type/antitype method of interpretation throughout.

    The doctrinal changes reflect the views of someone/s dominant in the group, not some new paradigm of interpretation.

    Christianity is at its core a typological reinterpretation of the OT. There is no Christianity without imagined 'parallels' and prophetic 'dual applications'.

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  • vienne
    vienne

    Somewhat factually incorrect. The two classes theory was derived from a Brethren and an Anglican writer and not based on a type. Types were used later to bolster the theory. The Brethren was William Trotter. [Plain Papers, first chapter]. The Anglican was Dunbar Isidore Heath [The Future Human Kingdom]

    You may also want to consult Schulz and de Vienne, Separate Identity, volume 2, chapter two.

    The type/antitype hermeneutic as expressed through Rutherford-Knorr-Franz entered Watchtower theology in 1918 when Rutherford replied in kind to PSL Johnson's articles about Jeremiah's prophecy. The recent move away from it is a return to the Watchtower's literalist roots.

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  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    "In that 2014 annual meeting talk David Splane even specifically stated that the cities of refuge has no antitype."

    That's interesting. The GB just aren't trying any more.

    Even Chrome's AI overview had this to say:

    "In Christian theology, the "antitype" of the biblical cities of refuge is understood to be Jesus Christ, who provides a safe haven and refuge from God's wrath and condemnation for those who believe in him"

    Since they try to purge Jesus from as much of their theology as they can, why couldn't they have simply made their organisation the city of refuge? After all, it's supposed to be the Ark, isn't it? The refuge from God's wrath manifested in the Flood, and all that?

    Or have they dropped the whole "the organisation is the Ark" thing?

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  • Ugot2bekiddingme1
    Ugot2bekiddingme1

    The Whole Watchtower, Jwism is part of some evil group. We seen the light, We got out!

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  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    I wouldn’t expect too much deep thinking from Dubs. It’s an organization where grown men needed permission to grow a beard.

    DD

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  • careful
    careful

    I wouldn’t expect too much deep thinking from Dubs. It’s an organization where grown men needed permission to grow a beard.

    DD

    Especially given the fact that God put facial hair on male humans for a reason—and it wasn't to save it off!!!

    Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh. In other words, the clean shaven policy was at odds with Jehovah's purpose all along. Indeed, the clean shaven cultures in antiquity were the Egyptians and the Romans, enemies to Israel. These facts, of course, have long been missed by GB I and GB II. Again, duhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    Why do they make everything so ruddy complicated?

    It is a disorientation technique. Because of this, Most exjws just throw their hands in the air and say they don’t know what to believe.

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  • blondie
    blondie

    Now is the time to return to our heavenly Father’s loving arms and to the congregation​—the only safe haven in these last days (WT 2013 11/15 p. 14)

    WT 1998 p. 8-13 Keep Safe as Part of God’s Organization

    “The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection.”—PROVERBS 18:10.

    It is necessary to stick close to the Lord and his organization to be safe. (WT 1950 2/15 p. 56)

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