by teenyuck 38 Replies latest jw friends
NewSense,
I CAN'T believe you said this!!:
One thing that comes to mind is to let the Iraqi people take care of Saddam. Most of them hate him. Given enough time, they will settle their score with him.
You mean... like CUBA with castro?... Most people HATE Castro... but they can't do ANYTHING about it... MANY have tried... but to no avail....
"Leave it to the Iraqi People!?!??!?!" Riiiiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhtttt.....
newsense,
yes i was serious! :)
its always great to see people with a logical and open mind!
french and english....what about german? ;)
email,
why do you think there were communist movements in south america?
do you know what the situation was in cuba before castro took over? people were terribly poor, there were no schools etc. that some hate castro now is due mostly to the poverty caused by the US embargo.
Dear Teen:
I am currently living in Southeast Asia, in the tropical zone. You're right about Switzerland. When I was young (about your age, I'm guessing) I spent two years in the French Alps, in Grenoble. So, it was easy to visit Switzerland. And, what a lovely (and peaceful) place it is.
Dear "e-mail" (or whatever your name is). So, I'm a hypocrite, eh? <Newsense is taking many a deep breath and trying to keep his Irish-American temper in check> Well, since I'm in such a touchy- feely mood, I won't say the words that first came to my mind. Just let me say that you are wrong. My little remark about los machateros was stated in jest; I was just being ironic. I was trying to show that I knew something about Puerto Rican culture. Back in New England, where I came from, I had many "amigos borrinquenos". Puerto Rican people are cool. Regarding the machateros being terrorists, all I can say is that is a "loaded term." One man's "freedom fighter" or "revolutionary hero" is another man's "terrorist." Think about it. In the U.S., Benedict Arnold is a traitor, but for many of our Canadian brethren, he was a hero. On the other hand, the Yanks who held that notorious "tea party" in Bean- town were viewed as scum by the Brits. Also, you can ask the British what they think of some guys who became the leaders of Israel. I mean those dudes blew up many a British building in Palestine during and after world war two. I'm sure that Simon can tell you about those guys. So, in short, the meaning of the word "terrorist" depends entirely on what side of any given political struggle you happen to be on. To paraphrase Nietzsche, all politics is "will to power." All political systems, and I mean all, are corrupt. History lets the winners of any struggle assign the label "terrorists"to this group and "revolutionary heroes" to that group.
No doubt, there are some sick and cruel members of the macheteros; but not all of them are. In regards, to "Puerto Rico libre" I totally believe that Puerto Rico should be given total independence. They are not a colony of the U.S. although they are treated like one. U.S. policy toward Puerto Rico is a long, shameful, and disgraceful story. Puerto Rico is a lovely island with a beautiful, vibrant culture. It's culture is ancient, there were people there long before the arrival of the Spanish. And, as regards "Commandante Che," hey, what can I say? The dude was cool.
Is it true that Simon deleted my comment about the Macheteros? That can't be! It can't be true! Tell me it ain't so, Simon! If it is true, then all of my gods will have fallen.
P.S.
While he was at it, did Simon also delete a psychopathtic comment posted by a certain person calling for Iraq to be nuked? Just curious. I mean, which posting is worse?
NewSense you said:
I was trying to show that I knew something about Puerto Rican culture.
You showed that you know very little about it.
Regarding the machateros being terrorists, all I can say is that is a "loaded term." One man's "freedom fighter" or "revolutionary hero" is another man's "terrorist."
from the article that I posted in a previous post:
" Clinton offered clemency to some members of the closely allied FALN, the Spanish acronym for the Armed Forces of National Liberation, and Los Macheteros - ''The Machete Wielders.'' The FALN claimed credit for bombing scores of targets on the mainland United States; its 1975 bombing of Fraunces Tavern in New York killed four and injured 63. Los Macheteros, with the exception of the $7.1 million Wells Fargo robbery in West Hartford in 1983, limited itself to a separate front, bombing and assassinating targets in Puerto Rico. "
So bombing, assassinating and robbing (among other things) MAY not be terrorism for you... well it is for me... They are ACTS OF TERROR. Acts specifically AGAINST the United States... yeah... for their own cause... so tell me... for you PERSONALLY do you THEN think that what happened on September 11th was NOT an act of terrorism? and How DIFFERENT were those acts from the acts of "los macheteros"?
In regards, to "Puerto Rico libre" I totally believe that Puerto Rico should be given total independence.
I respect your personal opinion but the opinion of the other 96% of the population that live in the island that does NOT want total independence from the U.S. is the one that counts.
My little remark about los machateros was stated in jest; I was just being ironic. I was trying to show that I knew something about Puerto Rican culture.
If that is true...I would take back all the things that I THOUGHT about telling you but I had to hold back because I didn't wanted to be banned from this board... But you have to understand that just as you have the right to say what you want (that in my opinion was SUPPORT for a terrorist organization) I also have the right to defend my country just as THOUSANDS of Puerto Ricans living on the Island AND on the U.S. mainland are doing right now in the middle east... including a lot of my dear friends.
Realist... lol
do you know what the situation was in cuba before castro took over? people were terribly poor, there were no schools etc. that some hate castro now is due mostly to the poverty caused by the US embargo.
It is OBVIOUS how little you know about Spanish-American History...
Before Castro took over Cuba was flourishing, Cuba was growing... people had businesses... and you have a variety of social classes there... people believed Castro's intentions were noble... and YES they supported him in the beginning but when he became a tyrant they realized his REAL intentions and Cuba declined to the communitst Cuba it is today.
Do you know WHEN the embargo happened?... lol... Cuba was ALREADY in shambels!!... it WAS NOT because of the embargo that Cuba became what it is today... it might have helped to make it worse YES... was THAT the cause NO.
Very well, said and developed, email. That is my understanding of Puerto Rico and Cuba. I understand that PR has had votes on whether to be independent or not and the majority of the voters have turned down independence. I remember Cuba being a beautiful place to vacation, with clubs, hotels, beaches that were world reknown but that was before Castro.
Blondie
Thanks blondie,
I understand that PR has had votes on whether to be independent or not and the majority of the voters have turned down independence.
Very true... a referendum was held in 1992(?) and people chose the status quo (common wealth)(the same status as Washington D.C.) for P.R. almost the other half voted for statehood... and an EXTREMELY low number of people about 3% voted for independence.
I remember Cuba being a beautiful place to vacation, with clubs, hotels, beaches that were world reknown but that was before Castro.
Very true... just ask ANY of the Cubans that fled Cuba when that happened... THEY will tell you how Cuba REALLY was BEFORE Castro... that's why A LOT of these people especially that first generation that came to the U.S. (Miami, P.R. etc.) have very fond memories of their Cuba... the Cuba that they have in their memories is diametrically different to Castro's Cuba.
What else can I say... Realist and NewSense... "Birds of a feather"...
("email")
email,
castro took over in 1959 and the embargo came in 1961 didn't it? so don't talk nonsense.
cuba was flourishing? yes but only if compared to other central american countries that got even more screwed by the US! there was a small upper class that basically owned cuba. the majority of the people lived in poverty.
Realist,
Castro took over in 1958 and the embargo started in 1962... and in 1974 was partially lifted... then AS RECENTLY as 1992 the embargo was put back to it's original status... So... from 1974 - 1992 there WAS trading and business between the U.S. and Cuba.
<sigh>
Interesting thread this has turned out to be teenyuck. England is naturally the best country on earth but I would move to the USA at the drop of a hat, its a beautiful country.
Secondly I finally have to agree with New Sense:
I'm a forty-five-year-old OLD FART
Agreed, you are!
Brummie
