ANTI-DEPRESSANT medication for the last 60 years now proved to be based on poorly supported false theory

by Terry 42 Replies latest jw friends

  • Simon
    Simon
    Unfortunately most people want a pill to 'fix' things quickly ...

    Very true.

    "So, you have trouble 'getting it up'? Well, you have two options: you can either exercise regularly, eat healthy and quit drinking ... or you can buy some blue viagra pills. Oh, you want the pills? What a surprise ..."

    Take the red pill or the blue? which do you choose?

    "Wait, no ... not both, oh shit, we need to call someone ... he just took BOTH pills. I don't know what happens now ..."

    Man walks around, politically aware of the woke agenda but with a huge boner.

  • SadElder
    SadElder

    Oh come now, we all know that going to meetings and doing field service is the absolute cure for anything. Ask any eldub.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    @Jan: I obviously can’t diagnose you remotely, but Citalopram is some HEAVY medicine just to treat low mood or a minor depression. It should’ve been prescribed only for major depressive disorder which is basically a depression you have for years without a clear cause, where therapy and other medicine haven’t helped. I know in UK/EU (I used to live there) medicine get prescribed much more readily to avoid the government from more expensive treatments, but holy cow.

    For those of you that don’t know, doctors in the US prescribe it sparingly because it accelerates significantly the people that have suicidal ideation, so if you have the wrong ‘type’ of depression, this can make it a lot worse.

    But as to the topic at hand, many psychologists now agree that we don’t know a lot about the origins of mood altering drugs. Psylocibin is now back in the research as an alternative, that’s how desperate they are in the field to find something that works without a ton of side effects. All the stuff that they give to ADD/ADHD kids could make symptoms worse if poorly diagnosed, leading to more prescriptions. Most professionals nowadays will suggest at least to start with CBT instead of drugs, and continue CBT during any medical prescriptions which should be carefully monitored.

    I’m involved in a few research studies that do substance abuse and some drug research, to make sure nobody is harmed, there is a TON of therapy and review and panel review before they even get a pill and basically that level of guidance is what many people need for treatment of major psychological disorders. But it’s very expensive and not very lucrative to drug companies.

  • jhine
    jhine

    I understand where you are all coming from but again l would say that until you've been there........

    I wasn't put on Citalopram straight away , l had lots of talks with the doc and senior nurse at the practice first. Then l was carefully monitored and told that in some patients it can cause suicidal thoughts so l was well aware of that . The doc made sure that it suited me before putting it on repeat . He described my condition as , in layman's terms, l had been sad for so long my brain had forgotten how to be happy.

    I really don't know how exercise , diet etc would have helped. I wasn't sleeping so had no energy. physical or mental to exercise with and had a good diet anyway . I can only say that it worked for me . I am now back to how l was, active, laughing and loving life.

    Jan

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    We live in a capitalist society. Drug companies exist to make a profit not to make people well. Unfortunately the two objectives are rarely the same. If there is a choice between a treatment that will cure a condition and a treatment that will maintain a condition for years or even decades then the current profit driven model will choose the maintenance therapy every single time. This is not a malfunction of the system, this is the system operating exactly as designed. In fact if a company chose to prioritise anything other than profit then they would be criminally responsible to their shareholders. Just think what a complete disaster it would have been for pharmaceutical companies, after spending billions of pounds on vaccines, to discover that the condition could be treated effectively with cheap drugs. We don’t know what the truth is because we are not scientists and I don’t pretend to know the answers. But the drug companies own the media that cover the health stories and they fund the politicians who make the decisions about funding involving billions of dollars. We are at a disadvantage because we are not scientists and we don’t have all the information they have at their disposal. But we can recognise the situation we are in and the powerful interests involved in securing certain outcomes and making sure certain perspectives prevail.

    Personally I think the way forward for individuals is to look to community collaboration using sites such as “stuff that works” which aggregates the health experiences of thousands and millions of people to try to work out from the grass roots which treatments are effective and which are not effective. I believe the drug companies and governments could do the same thing more effectively, in particular harnessing the powers of the latest artificial intelligence, but it is not in their financial interest to do so.

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    JanI understand where you are all coming from but again l would say that until you've been there........

    Jan Citalopram worked like a dream for me. The problem with them is they should be used short term and require the dosage upping after a time.

    . I know in UK/EU (I used to live there) medicine get prescribed much more readily to avoid the government from more expensive treatments, but holy cow.
    For those of you that don’t know, doctors in the US prescribe it sparingly because it accelerates significantly the people that have suicidal ideation, so if you have the wrong ‘type’ of depression, this can make it a lot worse.

    That's absolutely laughable that US doctors prescribe sparingly ....... in the US a doctor gives whatever the customer will pay for. That's why situations like Prince and micheal Jackson could never happen in the UK or Europe.

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    I'm on good terms with my Primary Care Physician, and I've asked him why all the medications that could make you feel better are illegal. I would love to try ketamine or psylocibin or mescaline or bufotoxin. One of my areas of ignorance is that I have no idea how to find a pusher. Talk about socially awkward!

    Nathan there are places you can go for short term treatment with psylocibin and have been for many years. It would require going abroad for you, I'd imagine, unless you can get yourself on some kind of trial in the US? NB people don't 'push' psychadelics, that's a myth, because they're not addictive.

    I've only heard positive things about them from the (admittedly few) people I've met who've undertaken treatment this way.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00187-9

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister

    Slim Boy that is an excellent, well thought out post.

    Thank you👍

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    For those of you that don’t know, doctors in the US prescribe it sparingly because it accelerates significantly the people that have suicidal ideation, so if you have the wrong ‘type’ of depression, this can make it a lot worse.

    NB Annonymous

    They've severely cut down the prescribing of Citalopram in UK/Europe for some time now, due to the data on suicidal ideation. I imagine the reason it appears US doctors are more reticent to prescribe it now is for the same reason.

    Prior to this there were huge numbers of all SSRI'S prescribed in the US - including this one.

  • Terry
    Terry

    The way I read this is that the DIAGNOSIS is faulty BUT the fallout amounts to something else entirely.
    A WIDE variety of antidepressants are available, HOWEVER, physicians and psychiatrists have not performed due diligence as to possible alternative therapies and patients go through a long process of taking wrong pills and over-dosing to the point of addiction which leads to circling the drain.

    During my divorce, I consulted a therapist who prescribed LIMBATROL. As much as I hate drugs - I tried them.
    Sure, the depression went away. BUT - I didn't give a shit about anything. I was the walking dead (except for craving brains.) As a matter of fact, one weekend I slept almost forty hours.

    I gave up the pills and rejoiced to have my SELF return. I'll never do that again.
    Disgustingly, many of these drugs can't be given up or the separation will kill you.

    I turned to running along the beach every evening and got up to six miles a day. That did more for me than pills.
    My ex-wife has been on a hypnotic drug, AMBIEN. It is supposed to be a drug that treats insomnia. Ha.
    Now she has my son on Ambien and he hallucinates. I truly hate this situation but neither of them will listen
    Limbatrol wasn't addictive for me. I absolutely despised not being one hundred percent in control of my own mind.
    ALTERNATIVES are out there but therapists are quick to go toward the quick fix instead. Bah humbug.

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