Thank God for the death of the UN

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  • MegaDude
    MegaDude

    This pretty well sums up my feelings....

    Thank God for the death of the UN

    Its abject failure gave us only anarchy. The world needs order

    Richard Perle
    Friday March 21, 2003
    The Guardian
    Saddam Hussein's reign of terror is about to end. He will go quickly, but not alone: in a parting irony, he will take the UN down with him. Well, not the whole UN. The "good works" part will survive, the low-risk peacekeeping bureaucracies will remain, the chatterbox on the Hudson will continue to bleat. What will die is the fantasy of the UN as the foundation of a new world order. As we sift the debris, it will be important to preserve, the better to understand, the intellectual wreckage of the liberal conceit of safety through international law administered by international institutions.

    As free Iraqis document the quarter-century nightmare of Saddam's rule, let us not forget who held that the moral authority of the international community was enshrined in a plea for more time for inspectors, and who marched against "regime change". In the spirit of postwar reconciliation that diplomats are always eager to engender, we must not reconcile the timid, blighted notion that world order requires us to recoil before rogue states that terrorise their own citizens and menace ours.

    A few days ago, Shirley Williams argued on television against a coalition of the willing using force to liberate Iraq. Decent, thoughtful and high-minded, she must surely have been moved into opposition by an argument so convincing that it overpowered the obvious moral case for removing Saddam's regime. For Lady Williams (and many others), the thumb on the scale of judgment about this war is the idea that only the UN security council can legitimise the use of force. It matters not if troops are used only to enforce the UN's own demands. A willing coalition of liberal democracies isn't good enough. If any institution or coalition other than the UN security council uses force, even as a last resort, "anarchy", rather than international law, would prevail, destroying any hope for world order.

    This is a dangerously wrong idea that leads inexorably to handing great moral and even existential politico-military decisions, to the likes of Syria, Cameroon, Angola, Russia, China and France. When challenged with the argument that if a policy is right with the approbation of the security council, how can it be wrong just because communist China or Russia or France or a gaggle of minor dictatorships withhold their assent, she fell back on the primacy of "order" versus "anarchy".

    But is the security council capable of ensuring order and saving us from anarchy? History suggests not. The UN arose from the ashes of a war that the League of Nations was unable to avert. It was simply not up to confronting Italy in Abyssinia, much less - had it survived that debacle - to taking on Nazi Germany.

    In the heady aftermath of the allied victory, the hope that security could be made collective was embodied in the UN security council - with abject results. During the cold war the security council was hopelessly paralysed. The Soviet empire was wrestled to the ground, and eastern Europe liberated, not by the UN, but by the mother of all coalitions, Nato. Apart from minor skirmishes and sporadic peacekeeping missions, the only case of the security council acting during the cold war was its use of force to halt the invasion of South Korea - and that was only possible because the Soviets were not in the chamber to veto it. It was a mistake they did not make again.

    Facing Milosevic's multiple aggressions, the UN could not stop the Balkan wars or even protect its victims. It took a coalition of the willing to save Bosnia from extinction. And when the war was over, peace was made in Dayton, Ohio, not in the UN. The rescue of Muslims in Kosovo was not a UN action: their cause never gained security council approval. The United Kingdom, not the United Nations, saved the Falklands.

    This new century now challenges the hopes for a new world order in new ways. We will not defeat or even contain fanatical terror unless we can carry the war to the territories from which it is launched. This will sometimes require that we use force against states that harbour terrorists, as we did in destroying the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

    The most dangerous of these states are those that also possess weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is one, but there are others. Whatever hope there is that they can be persuaded to withdraw support or sanctuary from terrorists rests on the certainty and effectiveness with which they are confronted. The chronic failure of the security council to enforce its own resolutions is unmistakable: it is simply not up to the task. We are left with coalitions of the willing. Far from disparaging them as a threat to a new world order, we should recognise that they are, by default, the best hope for that order, and the true alternative to the anarchy of the abject failure of the UN.

    Richard Perle is chairman of the defence policy board, an advisory panel to the Pentagon.

  • expatbrit
    expatbrit

    But...but...the French have heroically acted unilaterally outside of Security Council approval. Of course, they concern themselves with much larger threats to the world than a mere psychopathic megalomaniac who feeds people into plastic shredders.

    Yes, what was the name of that Greenpeace ship again?......

    Expatbrit

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    After this was is over, I have a feeling the UN will no longer have any teeth. Giving in to the arm-twisting of the US is setting the UN up for a replay of the failure of the League of Nations, making its current presence near extinction. The US has now set a precedence for ANY country to do as they please in the name of "peace." If the US is in Iraq to save the world from the lunatic fringe, what will stop them from invading the next country at-will? The UN? Ha! They already defied the UN council. What makes anyone think they will not do it again to fight "terrorism?"

  • teejay
    teejay

    >> The US has now set a precedence for ANY country to do as they please in the name of "peace."

    Well said.

    Of course, some other ([b]ANY[/b] other) country that in the future acts in it's own self-interest the U.S. will regard as "rogue," particularly if that country's interests conflict with that of the U.S. The bully with the biggest stick gets to set the rules and the U.S. is now clearly the bully.

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    Wait a minute! The UN can't die. It's the 8th World Power.

    Or not.

  • MegaDude
  • reporter
    reporter

    Muwhahahahahahahaha! The UN is irrelevant my foot! Look at how they're about to be demoted to the cleanup brigade!

    Okay, let me get this straight. The US has defied the United Nations in order to attack Iraq, ostensibly for defying the United Nations, and now after telling the rest of the UN members to go jump in the lake, the US excepts the United Nations to clean up the US' mess? Talk about Chutzpah !!!

    US wants Security Council to help pick up the pieces

    By Maggie Farley and Robin Wright at the United Nations
    March 21 2003

    As the clock to war ticked down, the United States was already mapping plans for rebuilding Iraq - and quietly asking for the United Nations Security Council's help.

    The US and Britain indicated they planned to seek up to three new resolutions concerning the political and physical reconstruction of Iraq. "We will need the Security Council in the future as we develop new resolutions that will deal with the aftermath of a conflict," the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, said.

    The US National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice, plans to visit the UN Secretary-General, Kofi Annan, soon to discuss a future UN role in Iraq, a UN spokesman said. No date has been set.

    While the Security Council agreed that Iraq's dire humanitarian needs must be dealt with immediately, the overtures came a bit too soon for some members still smarting from months of wrangling over whether Iraq must be disarmed by force.

    "It is inappropriate for the aggressors to now act as if they are also the saviours," said one diplomat. "We still have a bad taste in our mouths and cannot swallow this new plan from them just yet."

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    One diplomatic solution could be to "launder" the first US-British draft resolution by sending it to Mr Annan, who would incorporate his own proposals and then ask the current Security Council president, Guinea, or another council member to introduce it formally.

    The new resolution could come as soon as today, US and UN officials said. The first resolution would put Iraq's current reserves of $US40billion ($68billion) in UN-controlled oil money toward humanitarian relief. It assumes that the current Iraqi government will dissolve and would redirect the authority to spend the oil revenues to Mr Annan. The plan would only cover several months - the US plan originally said 90 days - and focus on immediate humanitarian needs.

    A second resolution being discussed would cover a longer period and may seek UN
    endorsement for a transitional administration until an Iraqi government is in place.

    The UN hopes to quickly revive its humanitarian programs in Iraq, which were suspended on Monday. On Wednesday, Mr Annan painted a grim picture of a country that had suffered for years under strict sanctions and repeated war. "The conflict that is now clearly about to start can only make things worse - perhaps much worse," he said.

    More than 60 per cent of Iraq's 24million people rely on UN food rations, and the elaborate distribution network will probably be disrupted during war.

    Mr Annan told the council that the UN had requested more than $US123million from donors to prepare for the effects of war but had received only $US34million so far.

    The US had positioned $US16.5million worth of food rations and relief supplies in the region and had pledged $US60million to UN agencies and aid groups, said the US Ambassador to the UN, John Negroponte. The British Ambassador, Jeremy Greenstock, said London had earmarked $US110million for humanitarian aid, and might announce more later.

    The third resolution, addressing Iraq's reconstruction, would be the most comprehensive and thus the most controversial. It would ask the Security Council to consider how UN agencies should be involved in Iraq, what governance role the international community could have, and the security role the US and others might play. It may also determine who gets control of oil and other resources that the US has administered in the past.

    During Mr Greenstock's address to the council on Wednesday, the foreign ministers of France, Russia and Germany left the chamber.

    Los Angeles Times, agencies

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    expatbrit; very good point -Greenpeace ship in harbour, Nuclear Weapons Test Protest, Frech Secret Service, Limpet Mine... what could possibly go wrong.

    Reminds me of an email that is doing the rounds;

    "You know th world is crazy when the best rapper in the world is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, when the French accuse the United States of arrogance, and when Germany doesn't want to go to war."

  • eyegirl
    eyegirl

    Ok so I have the attention span of a cheeto.

    That article was too freakin long for me to read. And the only thing I can say is: "WORD UP!"

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