Circuit Assembly this past weekend

by Jourles 46 Replies latest jw friends

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    .....they had severe depression and one of them said that was the reason that her and her husband had to leave bethel.

    They must have really had to be careful about saying that

    1. Someone who worked at Bethel had depression.
    2. Someone who worked at Bethel had to leave Bethel for a medical reason.

    That would have caught my attention in the current Bethel layoff season. Did their depression occur because
    of a family situation or just chemical imbalance? Why didn't Bethel take care of their family?

    They certainly did not want to imply that Bethel work or circumstances at Bethel CAUSED depression.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I didn't notice that the original post was over 3 years old, but welcome aboard Marc.

  • heretic
    heretic

    Merry Christmas marc.

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    Interesting, the three assemblies each year in obserance of the three annual conventions of the Jews. The Law was nailed to the torture stake or cross which ever one you prefer, either way, no need to keep going to all these. I always thought it funny in a twisted way, always complaining or bringing out how the friends shouldn't have all these things as the sisters would have to buy new dresses for each assembly and many times each day. You are encouraged to have a nice vehicle for service well how do you get one? You need a good job but don't get a higher education. Tell others not to have all these things but have you ever been to Bethel or any of the branches? Don't get on the internet, don't do this but all the time doing it themselves. Talking in circles, It reminds me of what Jesus said in Matt 23:2-5 2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. [ a ] 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.

    Amazing how many assemblies I went to and there was always a deficiet likewise. I remember in the Bible every time there was contributions taken up, it says that there was more than needed because Jehovah's Spirit moved the people to do so, hmmm,

    Spirit= Plenty and more than needed

    Not enough money and not enough compelled to give what is needed= ?????

    Do the math!!!!

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Hello everyone...

    This thread made me think of this article. found at

    http://www.reexamine.org/wtobserver/apps/pbcs.dll/articlead41.html?AID=/20040321/JWANDSOCIETY9/9999057

    SIncerely,

    Lady Liberty

    The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, Money & Honesty I recently learned some very interesting things about the Watchtower Society's cash position. They are cash-rich at this time and are quietly going about toning down some of the rather underhanded means they've used to achieve that position.

    AF

    When the WTS went to the literature donation arrangement in some of the wealthy countries back around 1991, they lost a major source of cash flow. The same thing happened a few years later when they stopped the food service at circuit and district assemblies. However, they wrote strongly worded letters to bodies of elders instructing them to make up for the lost cash flow. This has gradually been successful, so much that the WTS has more than made up for the losses.

    Today the typical amount of cash sent free and clear to the WTS, generated in the U.S. at district assemblies, amounts to about $12 per attendee. At the four Washington State assemblies at the Tacoma Dome, for example, this amounted to about $120,000 for each assembly. Remember -- this is cash free and clear after all assembly expenses have been paid. With about 1 million JWs in the U.S. this works out to about $12 million dollars in contributions directly to the WTS from this summer's district conventions, from the U.S alone.

    In order to generate this revenue the WTS has, during the 1990s, used a number of schemes to generate more contributions. Some are upfront and some are quite underhanded. Many on this forum know about the Tacoma Dome parking lot scandal, and this is typical of the underhandedness of the WTS. The negotiation of rental contracts for these public meeting places is quite an art, and the WTS is expert at draining the last penny from city officials. No problem here, except when they tell city officials one thing and the JW community another. One of the perks often thrown in to get the rental business is for the city to split the parking lot proceeds with the renter. Parking at these domes usually runs $4-$5 per car in the U.S. The Society negotiated with the Tacoma city officials that parking lot fees would not be charged, and so gave the impression that parking would be free. However, bodies of elders were sent a letter instructing them to sell parking tickets for about $4 apiece to all JWs. Neither the elders nor the JW community were informed that the Society had already told the city of Tacoma that parking was to be free. Thus, the WTS lied to the JW community, and collected money for parking via normal contributions. The few elders who knew the truth were instructed to keep all this secret, so that neither the JW community nor the Tacoma city officials would know of their underhandedness. Actually this scam is pulled wherever the Society can get away with it, generating lots more money for itself. Thank goodness one former JW official had the guts to expose this scam to the newspapers in Seattle.

    The WTS is heavily invested in the stock market and so the runup in stock prices during the 90's has given it plenty of money. Of course, the average JW is absolutely sure that the WTS is not invested in Satan's nasty old system of things. Today they are trying to dispose of the extra cash by dispensing it around the world. One such channel is by applying in the United Kingdom for charitable status for a so-called "Kingdom Hall Fund", which is to be used to channel "charitable contributions" to whatever "charity" the WTS desires -- in this case, its own Branch Offices. What they are doing is trying to use a loophole in British law to get around various laws in various countries about not allowing non-charitable funds outside the country of origin.

    The WTS is extremely frugal with its money but not with that of JWs as a whole. One example is the way they distribute Watchtower and Awake! magazines to subscribers. In the U.S. postal rates for magazines are low compared to most of the world, and so the WTS uses the U.S. Post Office to mail the magazines to subscribers. But in most of the world postal rates are relatively high, and so the WTS has instructed local JWs to run around distributing the magazines. Of course, this is a real inconvenience both to the JWs and to subscribers. The JW substitute-postmen must spend time and money doing what the Post Office can do much cheaper. The subscribers get hit-or-miss delivery of this important spiritual food. Of course, the important thing is that the Society save a bit of money.

    Another example has again to do with renting assembly facilities. If city officials won't give the WTS the rental rate it thinks it ought to have, it will often pull out altogether. Sometimes this results in thousands of JW families having to travel hundreds more miles to get to an assembly, and having to shell out hundreds of extra dollars to pay for lodging, travel and meals out. This often amounts to more than $500 per family. Suppose at one assembly this means that 2000 families must spend that money. That means that the JW community is forced to spend $1 million, which might save the WTS $1000 in rental fees. You can see the kind of unbalanced thinking that is behind such ludicrous decisions.

    Many critics complain that Watchtower leaders are quite unconcerned about Jehovah's Witnesses as individuals. The above information is one proof that this is true. They are far more concerned with making themselves look good to their peers -- meaning other WTS officials -- and perhaps to God, although it is clear by their dishonest and underhanded dealings that they really can't care what God thinks, or they would be honest in everything. They must think that God, like them, cares more about money and "getting the job done" than about individuals.

    Today the WTS is lessening the burden of contributions demanded of congregations. They have instituted policies of charging lower interest on the congregation's own money that it contributed to the Society for Kingdom Hall building, of charging less money for insurance and such for Circuit Overseers, and a number of minor things. I have little doubt that public exposure of their underhandedness has helped this to occur.

    AF

  • gymbob
    gymbob

    What a interesting thread!

    I remember back in the late 70's working in the accounting dept. at a circuit assembly in KY. I was young and wanted to advance in the org.

    On sunday when all the contributions were all collected there wasn't enough money to cover expenses (It was a really poor circuit). So the head elder in charge just looked around the room at all of us and counted how many of us there were, then says, "That comes to about $30.00 for each of us". (?) I was like WTF?! GYMBOB

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    You wrote: "Is the method used in the churches somehow less "money-grabbing" than this?"

    The Jews don't collect money at all by any means in the Synagog. No boxes, no baskets passed. Is the method used by the Jehovah's Witnesses somehow less "money-grabbing" than this?

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