Would Watchtower Actually Murder Members Who Question the F&DS If They Could?

Sea Breeze

Imagine if the Watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted. Do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them? Would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?

What say you?

Diogenesister

Ha that puts me in mind of the well known fantasy story written by an exjw - set after "Armageddon". The elders do exactly that! There's also a forced marriage and a suicide. In the end when the narrator becomes aware that worldly people are still alive, he's imprisoned and executed!

Have you read it SB?

NotFormer

I seem to remember WT articles where they begrudge the fact that the laws of the superior authorities mean that they can't deal with apostates in the old testament way. Not sure how to search for them, though.

It was phrased very loosely and, reading it, you felt that would love to have the power of execution.

LongHairGal

SEA BREEZE:

Yes.

NOT FORMER:

I do remember reading something like that. It read to me that they were sorry they could not.. It’s an evil of human nature that there would always be some idiot only too glad and too cruel to do this, IMO.

NotFormer

I think I've found it:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/3440/arrogance-true-believer

Beth Sarim

I think its the local laws of the land.

Which keeps the elders hardcore jws from hunting down & putting and end to faders/doubters & dissenters.

Touchofgrey

Imagine if any fundamentalist religion had there own country where they could do what they wanted ?

All religions are about control and manipulation of their followers and anyone who disagrees with them, so not unique to jws .

That's what I say .

Sea Breeze

@Touchof Grey - Religions, like governments, and organizatioins don't "do" anything. They are not animate beings. The people who make up such collaborations are the ones who "do" things.

It is the evil inherent in human nature that is the problem. Christ asks his collaborators to love their enemies, make peace whenever possible, use government for protection of the people (mainly military and police) , temper justice with mercy, and to do to others as you would have them do to you. Most of the freedoms we enjoy today in the West are a direct result of Christian culture and values. I am very thankful for that.

But, Watchtower doesn't really adhere to NT Christianity. They are not 'fundamentally" Christian. They cherrypick and misapply OT LAW to create a very rigid social system.

My question is whether or not people think that the elders would actually carry out real executions if asked to do so by the Governing Body if they could get away with.... like if they had their own country.

Personally, I think there is no doubt they would just like every Godless Totalitarian Leader that atheists have supported. Atheists killed hundreds of millions in the 20th century with their fundamental adherence to evolutionary tenets and comunist/fascist values. They basically exchanged what they viewed as "opiate of the masses" for poison for the masses. You have swallowed the Atheist/Watchtower lie about "religions".

Here is Watchtower's attitude on the matter according to the Insight Book:

The judicial excommunication, or disfellowshipping, of delinquents from membership and association in a community or organization. With religious societies it is a principle and a right inherent in them and is analogous to the powers of capital punishment, banishment, and exclusion from membership that are exercised by political and municipal bodies. In the congregation of God it is exercised to maintain the purity of the organization doctrinally and morally. The exercise of this power is necessary to the continued existence of the organization and particularly so the Christian congregation. The congregation must remain clean and maintain God’s favor in order to be used by him and to represent him. - Insight Book

They pretty much say here that expelling people is equivelent to execution, and that it is their "right" to administer "Capital Punishment". We all know that if ANY JW went around saying that Jesus was their personal Savior and invited others to allow Jesus in to their heart, they would be disfellowshipped faster than WT could collect cash from a KH sale to a Hare Krishna group.

From their own writings, I think it is reasonable to conclude that they would actually execute members if for example, they named Jesus as their personal Savior.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Diogenesister - the well known fantasy story written by an exjw - set after "Armageddon".

Haven't read that. Sounds very eye-opening though. Let me know if you can remember the name.

TonusOH

The WTS has promoted doctrines, beliefs, and policies that have led to the suffering and death of loyal followers. If they had the option of hurting opposers, they would do so. They would claim to be doing it in the name of god and with god's sanction, which would allow them to do this without suffering pangs of conscience.

Beth Sarim

Expelling people is equivalent to execution

They dont stone people. But they shun people.

Its similar in a way. That the disfellowshipped victim,,,or should I say 'removed' is dead in a way. That all contact,, is cut off. You are dead,, in a way.

Would Watchtower Actually Murder Members Who Question the F&DS If They Could?

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