To Sword of Jah

by NaruNaruChan 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • SwordOfJah
    SwordOfJah

    Realist: question....what would have to happen that you start to doubt the WTBTS?

    That's not a fair question. You are supposing that at some point I would doubt. That's like asking "what would have to happen for you to divorce your spouse", if it hasn't happened why think about the negative?

    At this point, I examine the scriptures along with Watchtower publications. I try to mediate on the way the writer of the article uses reasonings or logic. But I don't follow blindly as I make my own choices in life. I choose to believe or not a certain understanding. What I do choose to do is to serve Jehovah wholeheartedly. To do his will to the best of my abilities and use my free time to preach the good news of the Kingdom. I have not chosen to hurt my brothers but to serve along with them side-by-side as we wait on Jehovah and his marvelous blessings. Something that some without faith would not understand fully.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    :But I don't follow blindly as I make my own choices in life. I choose to believe or not a certain understanding.

    If this is true, then you're on the same path many of us have taken. Independent, logical thinking when unfettered leads only one way, and that is away from "the teachings of man" (organized religions including Jehovah's Witnesses).

    They serve as your mediator, they teach you what to think! If you resist, even privately, you are coming under what the Watchtower magazine calls "the snare of independent thinking".

    But SOJ -- what other kind of thinking exists? Is there such a thing as "dependent thinking"? -- That would be more akin to "following blindly", which you have stated YOU DO NOT DO.

    So whenever I read your comments, as much as you defend the JW's, I will think of you as one of us -- an independent thinker, on your path to freedom.

  • Gamaliel
    Gamaliel

    SwordofJah,

    So troll-baiting works! Sorry SoJ, I don't really believe in this JWs-r-trolls/anti-troll stuff at all, and I'm glad you're here. I think it's obvious that the pendulum swings too wide against JWs here, and you should be made to feel as welcome as the next person. This "anti-troll" mentality is what creates the self-fulfilled expectations about what "trolls" act like, because most personalities wouldn't be willing to put up with it.

    So if you understood that, I didn't mean to call you a "troll" I just mean that I think it takes a lot of self control to handle some of these threads as well as you have handled this one, so far. I appreciate it. Bring your friends.

    At this point, I examine the scriptures along with Watchtower publications. I try to mediate on the way the writer of the article uses reasonings or logic. But I don't follow blindly as I make my own choices in life. I choose to believe or not a certain understanding.

    That's a good, clear explanation of why you're here. You're a bit more liberal than some Society leaders would have hoped for, but I'm sure some believe that's just for your own protection.

    What I do choose to do is to serve Jehovah wholeheartedly. To do his will to the best of my abilities and use my free time to preach the good news of the Kingdom.

    Only the faithless will fault you for that. Now that I'm out it's OK for me to read Charles Taze Russell without getting looked at funny. Just two weeks ago, I ran across something surprising I agree with when he said that both the Object AND Manner of the Lord's Return are important. He said that if the Lord's Return meant that 99% of the people are going to be destroyed at Armageddon, then it's not good news of the Kingdom. In the 1950's the Watchtower agreed with the 99% estimate, however.

    I have not chosen to hurt my brothers but to serve along with them side-by-side as we wait on Jehovah and his marvelous blessings. Something that some without faith would not understand fully.

    I'm sure you think a lot of people here are hurting their brothers through opposition, when they should continue to work side-by-side, waiting on Jehovah. I agreed with that statement and I myself tried to stay for several years after I already knew about much of the WT dishonesty. I didn't think the negative stuff was worth spreading around. But when I started learning about some very positive, beautiful Scriptural ideas and truths that could make Christian Witnesses happier, I was tempted to share them. (As Jesus said, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.) I never hurt my brothers with these truths, and was very careful to only speak to those who came to me. When giving public talks, some JWs could tell I was excited about something that they wanted to know more about. I met my beautiful wife this way, and have shared 22 fulfilling years with her. (20 outside the WTS.) I had to be very careful, cautious and discreet however at the time. When I asked to step down from positions of responsibility, everything changed. I was suddenly treated like someone who had ratted out the mafia. Even other JWs warned me that they are looking for anything to try to DF me. My old Bethel roommates warned me that there was a "contract out on [my] head." One elder wouldn't let me step down right away and assigned me constant talks and parts about subjects where they thought I might say something wrong. I got surprise visits from Bethel elders, COs, etc. Ciro Aulicino from Bethel warned me about what was happening, and he's still there! Still, I got pushed out of the organization without ever sharing negative information. I was as excited about truth and preaching and teaching as it seems you are. However, I admit that I had an open mind as you claim you have.

    That open mind is part of what brings you here, but it's also the true danger which might become the key to your own freedom, and that's why the controlling men at the HQ don't want you on here with us.

    Just be aware that it may not be doubts or negative, hurtful information that ultimately drives you out of the WTS. It could just as easily be the positive information you find in the Bible when you are looking up those Scriptures along with the WT publications.

    Gamaliel

  • JT
    JT

    I examine the scriptures along with Watchtower publications. I try to mediate on the way the writer of the article uses reasonings or logic. But I don't follow blindly as I make my own choices in life. I choose to believe or not a certain understanding.

    *** prior to aug 1, 2001 the above could be true of a jw like sword of jah,--

  • JT
    JT
    I examine the scriptures along with Watchtower publications. I try to mediate on the way the writer of the article uses reasonings or logic. But I don't follow blindly as I make my own choices in life. I choose to believe or not a certain understanding.
  • Brummie
    Brummie
    Instead of focusing on the negative, you should be thanking me for having the courage to come in here as I am trying desperately to save your life.

    LOL...You always focus on the negative, even here you imply we are all going to die, how can anyone be more negative than that? hypocrite.

    OK sorefromjab, now perhaps you could answer the questions Narunaru asked you in the first post? There was no implication of picking a fight in the first post so have the decency to reply.

    Brummie

  • Realist
    Realist

    Sword,

    the answer to your question is simple....if i could not trust my spouse anymore i would divorce her. if you are not scared of such thoughts you should be able to answer my question just as easily.

    also....are there articles in the watchtower and AWAKE with which you do not fully agree?

  • topanga
    topanga

    i think witnesses run this site sometimes.

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step
    But I don't follow blindly as I make my own choices in life. I choose to believe or not a certain understanding

    I presume that you are not in agreement with the WTS recent statement regarding the sinfulness of 'harboring of private thoughts' about the Bible and WTS understanding of Scripture?

    Welcome to the land of a 'apostacy', you see it is not all that bad is it?

    Best regards - HS

  • kls
    kls

    All this so called apostates, know more about the jw cult then you do.Who are you trying to impress? The only thing you are doing is making us laugh at how much you don't know.Try another sight ,maybe theer will have some luck. Sword of dah, did you know luck is pagan?

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