somebody/gwen Well, when you feel the need to call me Mom, be free to do so, (but there is a possibility that I don't understand that your addressing me)............... and yes, Viv is a strong woman. ... Becky, when you visit Amsterdam, I am sure you will meet Viv and me just let us kow when you are arriving. Reborn 2002 ?......... I agree, Viv is well informd and I have'nt the slightest chance NOT to discuss doctrines a.s.o. with her. I even asked her (a year ago) to close her mouth and let me my beliefs but that was talking to deaf ears: she keeps telling me a lot of things I did'nt want to hear, as a result I am here today....... with no faith (not even the small part I had) in the organisation any longer . and I feel fine....... Country Woman