by Rihannsu 23 Replies latest jw friends
Hi, It just came to my attention that the witnesses are NOT celebrating the memorial on the correct day. according to the Jewish celendar Nisan 14 is on the 16th BUT the jewish day starts from 6 to 6, so in reality they should be celebrating on the 15th to be accurate with what Jesus instructed.
Anyone have any thoughts on this? i find it funny that they are not even doing it on the day Jesus instructed... If the above did not make sense tell me and ill try to clarify them even more.
It is not a mistake in counting the day from sundown to sundown. Here is the explanation from the horse's mouth.
*** w90 2/15 15 From Seder to Salvation ***
*** w77 6/15 383-4 Questions from Readers ***
Often the celebration of the Lord’s Evening Meal and the full moon do coincide, but not always. There may, for example, be a day’s difference, depending on where you live and the calendar used.
To see why this is so you need to understand the basic method presently used by the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses in establishing the date for the annual Memorial celebration.
It was on the 14th of the Jewish month Nisan, the date of the Passover, that Jesus directed his followers to commemorate his death. (Luke 22:14-20) Appropriately, the date for the Memorial celebration is arrived at as the Jews back then determined the date for the Passover. They began the month of Nisan when they could first see the new moon in the spring nearest the equinox. Passover came fourteen days later.—Isa. 66:23; Ex. 12:2, 6.
Jehovah’s Witnesses now follow this ancient pattern in determining the Memorial date. Please note that the first thing that needs to be established is when the new moon nearest the spring equinox (about March 21) will be visible in Jerusalem. This is not the astronomical new-moon time listed on a calendar or astronomical table. Why? Because the first thin sliver of the new moon is not visible until eighteen to thirty hours after the moment of astronomical new moon.
Let us take 1977 as an example. In determining the matter months beforehand so as to inform the congregations earth wide, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses had to calculate when the new moon would become visible in Jerusalem. From the astronomical standpoint the instant of new moon was at 20:33 (8:33 p.m.) Jerusalem clock time on March 19, 1977. Of course, that new moon was not then visible nor would it be for many hours. But could the first sliver of the new moon be seen the next evening about sunset? Because of various involved factors it seemed unlikely that the moon could be sighted in the rather bright sky west of Jerusalem about sunset on March 20, 1977. Consequently, the Governing Body settled on March 21, 1977, as the time when, with assurance, the new moon would be in position to be seen from Jerusalem about sunset. Nisan 14 would thus commence at sunset on April 3. That is when Jehovah’s Witnesses held the Lord’s Evening Meal. What about the full moon that month? When was it?
Astronomical tables list the full moon as occurring on April 4 at 04:09 (4:09 a.m.), Greenwich (England) Mean Time. But at that same moment if you live in another time zone obviously your clock would show a different time. For instance, Stockholm (Sweden) and Rome (Italy) are in the next time zone to the east of Greenwich. Hence, for them the moment of full moon occurred on April 4 at 05:09 (5:09 a.m.). New York (U.S.A.) and Lima (Peru), though, are five time zones to the west of Greenwich, so for them the full moon was at 23:09 (11:09 p.m.) on April 3, 1977. Because of this variation according to time zones some 1977 local calendars indicated that the full moon occurred on April 4 and others said April 3.
In any case, the basic point to appreciate is that the date for the celebration of the Lord’s Evening Meal is determined by the new moon (visible in Jerusalem), not the full moon. Nonetheless, the Memorial falls fourteen days after the appearance of the new moon. Thus it always occurs about the time of the full moon. It is good to know this in case some of Jehovah’s Witnesses are cut off from contact with the Governing Body and do not know what date for Memorial has been determined. In that situation, if they observed the Memorial on the evening of the calendar date for the full moon after the spring equinox, they would likely be celebrating it on the same date as the rest of their brothers or at least very close to it.
Yes, it is true. I'm sure that they would claim the fault of daylight savings time or something.... It is a good catch on your part....lol..I have a friend that I will e-mail this info to, she just got through e-mailing me about the correctness of the wt on this issue....lol, thanks. My anger falls on the whole not partaking teaching but this will do for now...
Hey wait a minute, my calendar says that Passover is the 17th.....? Oh, how we scrupulously observe the days and seasons and moons......Romans
LOL....now they are NOT partaking on the WRONG DAY, figures.
Now, 2 of my calendars say it is the 17th this year. Rih, where did you get your info? Sorry, Blondie, that's too much jw talk for me to read these days....care to sum it up?
DJ, I have always been amazed how scrupulous the WTS is on this, but fails to show true Christlike love. It is a gnat thing compared to a camel thing.
Blondie (just explaining not supporting the WTS view)
I noticed the different in date from the Jewish Passover. The Christian religions take the first Friday and Sunday after Nisan 14.
Blondie,
I know that you are not a wt apologist. I am just too lazy to read all of that jw blabber. As for your statement...about......"The Christians".......hmmm.
WHO knows if Passover is on the 16th as R said or the 17th like my 2 calendars say?
DJ, actually, I never tried to figure it out. I just knew that I had to show up when they said. I'm not showing up this year, the first time in almost 50 years. I will celebrate at home. I was planning on doing it on the same date as Passover. My calendar shows that Passover starts after sundown on April 16 and has it marked as a full moon.
Blondie
Thanks Blondie. I have the full moon on the 16th too but they say the 17th is Passover. I just wanted to make sure so that I could tell my friend that they have the wrong day this year. It doesn't matter to me which day they don't partake on this year...they miss the point as usual.
I am so happy for you Blondie. I am planning to partake this year as well, at home. My hubby and I together. My thoughts will be turned towards you and I'll smile.
As an added bonus, by having the Memorial on the 17th, the WTS gets to have an extra meeting that week for most congregations. I'm sure 'the friends' are thrilled.
Actually, rocketman, many KHs cancel any meetings on the same day or reschedule them. For example, one year the memorial was on Sunday. All meetings were cancelled and only the WT study (not the public talk) was rescheduled to another day (Saturday or Monday). Some years it was near the TMS and Service meeting and that was canceled, not rescheduled. So it depends on the elder body as to whether there are more or less meetings that week.
Blondie
