The Knock at the Door After the Prayer

by stevieb1 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • stevieb1
    stevieb1

    This experience is commoly related by Jehovah's Witnesses:

    A man or woman is desperately searching for "the truth" or someone is about to give up on life but before they do they utter a prayer to God and lo and behold a knock is heard on the door and behind the door are Jehovah's Witnesses.

    These experiences are used by JW's to confirm angelic direction on their work and seems to reinforce in them that they have the "truth".

    How does one argue against such personal experience?

    I am no longer a JW and no longer support their organizational teachings by the way, but I'd like to throw out the above question to you all for comment and consideration.

  • blondie
    blondie

    The WTS does like to use these experiences from time to time. The problem is that they also say that God does not listen to the prayers of non-JWs. It is one of those subjective things. How many people were praying and no one came? There is no way to measure that. How do we know that the person is telling the truth?

    Blondie (no angel herself)

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    most of these stories arent verifiable. But as for the rest, the odds are that occasionally this will happen by happenstance.

  • StinkyPantz
    StinkyPantz

    I guarantee that most religions claim these exact same things. Especially the ones that go door to door like Mormons.

  • NaruNaruChan
    NaruNaruChan

    It's called coincidence, and it's not as uncommon as one would think. Also, since JWs teach that Jah doesn't listen to worldly people's prayers and only satan listens... wouldn't it be satan guiding JWs to these poor people? Doesn't make sense once logical thought is used.

  • Francois
    Francois

    This is called an anecdotal story. It is not a part of a rigid proof based on a statistical survey. It's the worst kind of "proof." To a statistician, it is not even a blip on the radar, totally valueless.

    This ranks right up there with the seven assemblies back in the 30s being the seven trumpets of Revelation. No proof. Just coincidental numbers and hubris.

    francois

  • Gamaliel
    Gamaliel

    stevieb1,

    I was just praying that somone would ask that question.

    You can't really argue with it. It's the ideal fantasy for the door-to-door work. If the stories never really happened, they would be created. But rationally, we could assume that anyone who is truly desperate will have felt that way over an extended period of time, and will likely have a better memory of the prayer that was "answered" than the 40 times they prayed the same prayer and no one came to the door.

    Also, such people will be more likely to be home on a weekend than out playing with friends. They will answer the door for anyone just to try to break a depression or monotony or loneliness. Most of the JW door-to-door converts were temporarily "without a life" or "without an activity/religion" and what we had to offer must have sounded better than anything they had in their current condition. These same people wouldn't have given us JWs the time of day the previous month, but whatever got them down, got us a foot in the door. Timing is everything!

    I assume that Mormons and others also use the same experience so I did a quick google search on the phrase: [end of my rope "knock at the door"]

    Ignoring a few sites with themes or poems about Jesus knocking at your door when you're at the end of your rope, and a few other sites about some kind of bondage, I found two interesting ones that prove that these stories would be invented even if they never happened:

    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/6111/pneumatikos/dragnet.htm

    Soul Patrol, a Christian youth skit about door-to-door evangelism ...

    Sunday: After hitting every house for a mile and a half. My tootsies are starting to bark like dogs singing the blues. Mundy's shoes are about ready for a retread. We decide to hit one more house before breaking for coffee and donuts. We are tired.

    Miss Guide: Well, yes. You mean, you're not my new spiritual advisor, and Rafka, "Channel to the Stars"? I was expecting them.

    Sunday:

    No, ma'am. We're the Soul Patrol. We'd like to talk to you about Jesus Christ, the only real way to eternal life.

    [edited out a bit...]

    Mundy: Yeah. Jesus shed His blood for your sins. If you believe in Him, no matter what you've been, no matter what you've done, Jesus will forgive you. You can start over again with a clean slate. But this time, He'll be there to help you do better.

    Needy:

    Gee, that sounds awful good. I gotta tell you guys, things have been so bad, I was making plans to end it all. You know, suicide.

    http://www.homeandholidays.com/rs/pages/lead-vt-skit2.html (seemed to be unavailable, so I used the Google cached version)

    Here's it's conclusion after a similar skit about Sisters on errands of mercy:

    Narrator: Here's a common case. The visiting teachers just assume they're not important to the people they visit. And the people they visit sometimes forget to mention how much they love to see them. These sisters provided real help to the women they went to visit. Some of it was physical labor, but it was all a labor of love. Once they got up and got motivated, they felt really good about the whole thing. The spirit prompted these sisters to go and do their visiting teaching and at first, they ignored it. We want you to recognize your worth. Visiting teaching IS important. It's a divine program and this was a small example of it in action. The scenes portrayed here were based on actual visiting teaching experiences. There was a woman laying on the floor, begging for her Heavenly Father to send her angels on an errand of mercy. It just so happened that the Father sent the sisters. And believe it or not, a piece of chocolate cake, delivered by a sister, saved a woman's life. The woman begging for a simple piece of chocolate cake had been in her bedroom contemplating suicide at the moment her visiting teachers came in. The ONLY thing that would save her from doing such a sad thing was a single piece of cake. She was very specific in her prayers.

    And there you have it...visiting teachers answer prayers every day. Whose prayers have you answered? Sisters, you are angels on errands of mercy. Recognize the divine origin of this program and take part in it with a heart full of song. Make the time to become friends with the women you are called to serve.

    Hope it helps,

    Gamaliel

  • detective
    detective

    Well, as far as reasoning it through, you could ask about all of the people who DID harm or sadly, kill themselves... were they unworthy of angelic intervention? Is it simply that the angels aren't very reliable when directing JWs and therefore lives are lost in desperation everyday? Or is that JWs just aren't very good recepters, and end up missing some angelic clues, thus failing to save another lost individual from that fate? What about JWs who kill themselves? If being visited by a JW somehow factors into "saving" the person in this example, how come the angels couldn't reach out to a suicidal JW? Wouldn't his/her congregation members receive extra "angelic intervention" thus sending "the friends" in droves to assist a depressed JW? There are all sorts of these morality tales around. For fun and frolic, check out religious urban legends at www.snopes2.com

  • mattnoel
    mattnoel

    Maybe they are urban myths and people who have gone into the religion have made up the story to make them popular or something.

  • liquidsky
    liquidsky

    I kinda had a strange experience, but I am dismissing it as coincidence. Last week I said a heartfelt prayer asking god to please help me find what I am searching for. Recently I have been looking into other religions while at the same time severing my ties with the WTS. Well just as I was dome praying I received a knock on the door and it was a sister that I had known most of my life. I am assuming my parents gave her our address because I haven't spoken to her for several years. Anyway, she asked me to go to the sunday meeting because it was the CO's visit. I declined.

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