Library: Magazines: The Skeptical Review: 1992: Number One: Did They Tarry in the City? If one were to ask a Christian versed in the scriptures if the disciples of Jesus met him in Galilee after his resurrection, the answer would surely be, "Yes, they did." After all, Matthew, writing about postresurrection events, clearly said, "But the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him; but some doubted" (28:16-27). That seems clear enough, and if Matthew had been the only one to write about postresurrection events, this meeting in Galilee would certainly be believable to anyone who could accept the premise that a dead man had been resurrected. Considered in the context of all four gospel accounts of the resurrection, however, this meeting in Galilee poses tremendous credibility problems, because Luke said in his gospel that Jesus told his disciples on the night of his resurrection that they were to stay in Jerusalem until they were "clothed with power from on high" (24:49). According to the same writer (Luke), this power came to them about fifty days later when they were baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:3-5; 2:1-4), but by then Jesus had already ascended back to heaven, because he had remained on earth only forty days after his resurrection (Acts 1:3). So if Luke was right and Jesus did tell his disciples on the night of his resurrection not to leave Jerusalem until they received "power from on high" and if this power from on high did not come to them until fifty days later and if Jesus remained on earth for only forty days after his resurrection and if the disciples obeyed Jesus's command not to leave Jerusalem until they had received power from on high, how could they have possibly met him on a mountain in Galilee as Matthew claimed? Bibliolaters will say that the command to stay in the city until they were "clothed with power from on high" was not given to the disciples on the night of Jesus's resurrection, but careful analysis of the text will not support them in this. Luke 24:1-12 described events that occurred at the empty tomb on the morning of the resurrection. The women went there "at early dawn" (v:1), found the stone rolled away and the tomb empty (vv:2-3), and encountered two men in dazzling apparel who told them that Jesus was risen (vv:4-8). The women ran to tell the news to the eleven (v:9), who considered their words to be only idle talk (v:11), but Peter ran to the tomb, looked inside, and went back home, "wondering at that which was come to pass" (v:12). After all these things were related, Luke said, "And behold, two of them were going that very day to a village named Emmaus" (v:13). The expression "that very day" surely was intended to mean the very day of the resurrection, the day all of the events just mentioned had happened. So the encounter between Jesus and the two disciples on the road to Emmaus (vv:15-27) had to have happened on the same day that Jesus was allegedly resurrected. If not, what did "that very day" mean? Evidence that it was the very day of the resurrection is seen in verse 21. In the conversation that Jesus had with the disciples, the one named Cleopas stated, with implied doubt, that Jesus was the Messiah: But we hoped that it was he who should redeem Israel. Yea and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things came to pass. Cleopas clearly indicated in this statement that the events being narrated in this passage were taking place on the third day. What day could that have been except the third day following the trial and crucifixion of Jesus that Cleopas had just summarized? As any Sunday school student knows, the resurrection was supposed to have occurred on that third day. So at this point in Luke 24, everything happening was happening on the day of the resurrection. When the trio arrived at Emmaus, Jesus "made as though he would go further" (v:28), but the two disciples "constrained him, saying, Abide with us; for it is toward evening, and the day is now far spent" (v:29). The "far-spent day" would have been the day the journey started, so Luke's narrative shows quite clearly that everything he was telling had happened on the third day, the day of the resurrection. The insistence of the two disciples prevailed, and Jesus went into Emmaus with them. When they sat down to "break bread," Jesus blessed the bread and gave it to the others. Until then, the two disciples had not recognized Jesus, but at the breaking of the bread "their eyes were opened" and they realized who he was as "he vanished out of their sight" (v:31). "And they (the two disciples) rose up that very hour, and returned to Jerusalem and found the eleven gathered together" (v:33).The eleven told the men that "the Lord is risen indeed and hath appeared unto Simon," and the men told the eleven what they had seen (v:34). Emmaus was located only seven miles from Jerusalem, so if the two disciples had left "that very hour" after recognizing the vanishing Jesus and returned to Jerusalem, they would certainly have arrived there the same night. While the disciples from Emmaus were telling the eleven what they had seen, Jesus suddenly appeared out of nowhere: And as they spake these things, he himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they beheld a spirit. And he said unto them, why are ye troubled? and wherefore do questionings arise in your heart? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having. And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet (vv:36-40). Luke's narrative at this point reads very much like John's account of an appearance that Jesus made on the night of the resurrection day: When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. And when he had said this, he showed unto them his hands and his side (John 20:19-20). The similarity of these two accounts should confirm that the appearance of Jesus to the eleven that Luke wrote about did allegedly happen the night of the resurrection, because John plainly said that it occurred on "the first day of the week." In the continuation of Luke's narrative, Jesus asked for something to eat, and a piece of broiled fish was given to him (v:41). After eating it, he spoke to the disciples about non-existent scriptures (as we will see in a later article) that his resurrection had fulfilled (vv:44-46). Then in giving to them Luke's version of the "Great Commission," he made the statement that casts serious doubt on Matthew's claim of a postresurrection appearance in Galilee: Ye are witnesses of these things. And behold, I send forth the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city, until ye be clothed with power from on high (vv:48-49). As related earlier, this "power from on high" that the apostles were to receive presumably came to them when they were baptized in the Holy Spirit: (A)nd being assembled together with them, he (Jesus) charged them not to depart from Jerusalem but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, ye heard from me: for John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence (Acts 1:4-5). The apostles were baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4), so that would have been the time that they received Jesus's promise of "power from on high." Pentecost (from a Greek word meaning fiftieth) fell fifty days after the sacrifice of the passover lamb (see Josephus, The Antiquities of the Jews, 3.10.5-6), and Jesus was crucified as the passover was approaching (Matt. 26:1-5, 17-19; Mk. 14:1-2, 12-16; Lk. 22:1-2, 7-13; Jn. 18:28, 39). John even said that it was during the "preparation of the passover" that Jesus was taken before Pilate (19:14). So if Jesus was crucified at the time of the passover, he had already ascended back to heaven when the apostles were "clothed with power from on high" on the day of Pentecost (50 days after his crucifixion), because Luke claimed that he stayed on earth only forty days after his resurrection (Acts 1:3). By now the problem in reconciling Matthew's resurrection account with Luke's should be obvious. Luke very clearly indicated that Jesus on the night of his resurrection charged the apostles to stay in Jerusalem until they were "clothed with power from on high" (baptized in the Holy Spirit, Acts 1:4-5), so that leaves no room for a postresurrection appearance to the apostles on a mountain in Galilee. As I said earlier, IF Jesus did tell his disciples on the night of his resurrection not to leave Jerusalem until they received "power from on high" and IF this power from on high did not come to them until some fifty days later and IF Jesus remained on earth for only forty days after his resurrection and IF the disciples obeyed Jesus's command not to leave Jerusalem until they had received power from on high, they couldn't have possibly met him on a mountain in Galilee as Matthew claimed. No one can successfully argue that the meeting on the mountain in Galilee happened before the meeting in Jerusalem on the night of the resurrection, because that would pose other textual reconciliation problems. For one thing, Galilee was too far from Jerusalem to make such a meeting logistically possible. The disciples were presumably in Jerusalem the morning of the resurrection, because the women ran to tell them of the empty tomb (Lk. 24:9). Peter and another disciple even ran to the tomb, looked inside, and returned home, wondering about what had happened (Lk. 24:12; Jn. 20:3-9). Are we to believe that after Peter returned home from the tomb, he and the other apostles journeyed to Galilee (a distance of some sixty or seventy air miles, even if the mountain was in the southernmost region of Galilee), saw Jesus, and then returned to Jerusalem ALL IN ONE DAY! The mere suggestion is preposterous (but perhaps not as preposterous as believing a resurrection story as riddled with contradictions as the one told by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Besides, Luke said that when the disciples from Emmaus found the apostles in Jerusalem the night of the resurrection, they were immediately told, "The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon" (24:34). But if all of the eleven had met Jesus earlier that day on a mountain in Galilee, they would have surely told the disciples from Emmaus that Jesus had appeared to all of them. There is just no way to reconcile Matthew's story with Luke's. If Matthew was right about a postresurrection appearance of Jesus on a mountain in Galilee, then Luke was wrong in at least some details of his description of a postresurrection appearance in Jerusalem the night of the resurrection. If Luke was right in all the details he described, then Matthew erred. One of them had to be wrong. Either that or believers in the resurrection will have to say that the apostles disobeyed Jesus's command to stay in Jerusalem until they were baptized in the Holy Spirit. Either alternative they select won't build much confidence in the Bible inerrancy doctrine. The principle of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus (false in one thing, false in everything) is certainly applicable to the four resurrection stories. This rule of evidence recognizes that testimony found to be false in one matter should be considered unreliable in other matters. So if either Luke or Matthew erred in telling the resurrection story, how could it possibly be that both were protected from error by the Holy Spirit as they wrote? If either of them was wrong about the when and where of postresurrection appearances, then maybe they were wrong about the resurrection period. Maybe it didn't even happen. This is surely something for resurrection believers to think about. Or maybe they would rather go on with their heads in the sand. ERRANCY Mailing List Copyright Internet Infidels 1995-2002. All rights reserved. disclaimer I hate it when people just cut and paste but really I am short of time and this point is obvios to anyone who has compared verses anyway. Any refutation is welcomed and will be responded to as I can.
Did Jesus meet them in Galilee? Contradiction
by peacefulpete 22 Replies latest watchtower bible
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peacefulpete
Ive tried and tried to put paragraphs yet it does not respond, please try to read it anyway. sorry
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Kenneson
Mark 14:28 and16:6-7 are in agreement with Matt. 28:16. It seems to me that Luke 1:4 has Jesus telling the Apostles not to move away from Jerusalem until the Holy Spirit descends upon them. Only then will they be ready to go out to the whole world and preach the Gospel. By travelling outside of Jerusalem for a day or even more than one day they have not disobeyed Jesus. Even Luke in that very same chapter of Acts 1:9-12 has the Ascension take place a sabbath day's journey away from Jerusalem at the Mount of Olives (10 days before the Holy Spirit descends at Pentecost). The point is they keep coming back to Jerusalem until they are prepared to depart for Judea, Samaria and even to the most distant part of the earth (Acts 1:8)
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DJ
Hey Kenneson, I'm glad that you are here. love, dj
Pete, It is way to hard to read. I have trouble with all of your posts that are this long. If you can't get the paragraphs.....try to atleast hit the font button and enlarge your print.....thanks!
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peacefulpete
I am sorry but I do not know what a font button is. Is it on your computer or at this site? I am using webtv and am limited. It use to keep my spacing before the new program. Now even when I edit and replace them it gets squashed back when it is posted.
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Pancho
Hi Everyone. You can read it at http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1992/1/index.shtml (Did They Tarry in the City?)
http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1992/1/index.shtml
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peacefulpete
Kenneson...thanks for your response. I am sure you meant acts 1:4 not Luke 1:4. Lets turn to Luke 24 where this version of the story is found. Ask yourself ,"where is Jesus during this conversation?". The setting changes from Jerusalem to nearby Emmaus back to Jerusalem. Then verses 47- 49 mess things up. It is indisputably presented as part of a speech that is taking place in Jerusalem the night of his resurection yet the commision to preach is said in Matt to have been given in Galilee. Further the words "abide/remain in Jerusalem until you become clothed with power" can not have been stated in Jerusalem. Why? because Jesus according to Matt tells them to meet him in Galilee 1/2 a country away. Your reference to Acts 1:12 that describes the mount of olives as "a sabbath's day journey away" means no more than 2000 cubits or 2,900 feet, about a half mile. Hardly a comparison, in fact the mount of olives was often even referred to as part of Jerusalem. Therefore to make sense of this verse Bible commentors have agreed this statement must have been made in Galilee and what was meant was not remain in Jerusalem but "return to Jerusalem and stay there". Then verse 50 inexplicably switches back to Jerusalem/Bethany for them to witness his ascension which according to Acts was 40 days later yet here is presented as occuring the same night! The simple facts are that Luke's Gospel knows nothing about any meeting in Galilee and nothing about a 40 day delay in his ascension. Theologians have pressed a very artficial shift in setting where nothing in the text justifies it to "harmonize" the versions of the resurrection stories. Numerous traditions and stories were circulating during the time of the Gospel compilation. Some of these traditions became "cannon" others slipped into the darkness of history. Some alternate traditions were presered in the Gnostic Gospels and other fragments and writings from the late first and early second centuries. The Cannonical gospels themselves dispite years of revision still bear the evidence of a tradition in formulation.
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peacefulpete
thanks for the link Pancho, It is my hope that discussions here will stimulate interest to explore ideas like those at the Infidels site. I don't always appreciate his tone but his arguements are good.
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Kenneson
Peacefulpete,
Yes, I meant Acts 1:4
Actually the Ascension, according to Luke 24:50 was at Bethany, a village east of Jerusalem on the Mount of Olives. If they were at Bethany (no matter how close to Jerusalem) they were not in Jerusalem proper for a length of time. If Jesus himself led them out of Jerusalem to Bethany, then verse 49 "abide in the city until you become clothed with power from on high" cannot be intrepreted the way you do. You also mentioned that the Gospel of Luke knows nothing of the 40 days preceding the Ascension. But Luke certainly knew it for he is the author of Acts 1:3.
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peacefulpete
It is clear that the Luke version does not include any trip to Galilee. It is also clear that the author of Luke knows nothing about a 40 day delay. We are not here discussing the Acts tradition. Furthur, it is not MY interpretation of the phrase ,"abide in Jerusalem" that is question, it is that of nearly all Bible commentators. If you see some creative way to interpret the phrase fine, but WHERE was he when he said it? Jerusalem according to Luke and Galilee according to Matthew. Your arguement that since the story says that after saying this command he then led them to the mount of Olives requires that the phrase not mean "remain in Jerusalem" is interesting but not compelling to me. As clearly if Jesus were himelf leading them to a mountain to ascend at the outskirts of Jerusalem proper it does not follow that they when returning home that evening said to themselves that they were now free to loosely interpret his direction to "abide in Jerusalem" as long as they eventually returned. But ultimately all you are doing is furthur confusing the story, as the issue is about where he was when he said it.
It was imperative to the author of the Lukan verion that the Jesus figure ascend from a mountain. Why? Because this was a standard element of the ancient pagan dying god/man motif that provided the framework for the resurrection story. The author of the Matt version makes nothing of an ascension at all but see as important a trip to Galilee. Why? Perhaps to incorporate the Pythagorean legend of the teacher instructing his doubting students to lower the fish net and catch 153 fish to demostrate new divine powers. Again I will assert that the Luke version of the story does not include or allow for a 40 day delay or any trip to Galilee.