How would someone in Croatia, upon getting a criminal conviction for speech in Croatia, put a US citizen in prison or even collect on the judgement?
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
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Simon
How would someone in Croatia, upon getting a criminal conviction for speech in Croatia, put a US citizen in prison or even collect on the judgement?
They wouldn't. US courts won't recognize or enforce Croatian orders as they don't live up to the same standard to have any reciprocal rights and agreements.
I know which country I'd be more concerned about having a court judgement in, and them being able to reach me. For starters, which country is more likely to be a travel destination that you'd then need to avoid?
I'm sure parts of Croatia are lovely and nowhere near as miserable looking as Lloyds new address, but there are nicer European countries to visit and not being able to visit the US would be far more inconvenient and impactful.
They have 3 F1 races a year for starters.
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TonusOH
Tamalam: Simply the fact he admitted on camera he 'dated' a sex worker is more than enough proof that someone stating 'he engaged in sex work' is a reasonable conclusion.
Correct! You can understand why he would not want this case to proceed to an actual trial. There is no shortage of footage and messages where he makes statements that will undermine his case. In court, he would be confronted with these and his case would crumble. Not only are there multiple instances of him making different claims in regards to his Thailand trip, there are also messages and letters. Some we have seen, others we have not seen... yet.
Again, I really hope the seven get these "evidence" letters. I'd love to see videos from the seven, covering each claim with video clips of Evans confirming what they said, or undermining his own case, and smile as his credibility disappears in a tiny puff of smoke. What can he do? More vague insinuations? More self-pitying videos and statements? Maybe he can open a Patreon level where he pays you if you subscribe.
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WingCommander
I can't believe The Great Neck-Bearded One still has any flying monkey left to private message people and threaten them. LOL!!!! These are the MORONS that Cedars is counting on to keep subscribing monthly to his stupid bullshit. Hey, WT is still in business, so why not this swarmy grifter? Right Lloyd? Maybe Lloyd can move to the USA and get the other half of the townhouse next to Anthony Moron da Turd. Could you imagine?
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Toblerone5
I really hope the seven get these "evidence" letters.
On page 78 .LMSA posted the photo of the 3 court submission made by his lawyers, made 20. 10.2023. so last friday. But I wonder , could it be they would send those letters only if a judge approved to have one ( or all 3) of those claims have a court earing ? Hope you know what I mean I'm not a lawyer so i'm not to familiar with there legal jargon 😳 Why would his lawyer send 64 pages to 7 peoples across the globe, if they don't even know if those claims even see a day in court? I imagine it would be quite costly 64 pages x7 peoples =$$$ ?well 5 actualy since idiot here decided to sue both husband and wife ,TWICE...
I have a feeling they (magn.7) will never see those docum. unless ,again they pay to have a lawyer ,like DerekMoors and his wife did with the help of kim with the other legal papers... ?
Or let's say the judge say he will only see one of those 3 claims, and it happened that let's say it's number 9 and 10 on the list of his claims , number 9 name Kim ,and number 10 who is he blaming for the Marco letter with the sexting the 14 yrs ? Anyway then I assumed his lawyer would only send kim and ? not all 64 pages ,(that by the way if it's printed recto verso is basically 32 pages ) but only the one or two pages that talks about the number 9\10 claims.?
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TonusOH
I don't know how it works in Croatia, but typically a defendant must be notified of what action is being taken against them so that they can prepare a defense. Police in the USA, for example, must inform a defendant of the charges against them and provide the defendant (usually through their lawyer) all of the relevant evidence that they have. In a civil suit, the plaintiff must serve the defendant with a copy of the suit (a ritual that can become almost comical when the defendant is determined to avoid being served).
While a verdict may be handed down in absentia, typically this is when the defendant has been served and refuses to appear when summoned. I am guessing that the court will rule on the submission and decide whether the case can go forward or not. If it rules that it can, then the information would have to be sent to the defendants. For a case where the defendants are scattered around the world, that can be a challenge in and of itself, since you will want to confirm that they were served the papers. If the cost of translation was "eye watering," I can only imagine what process servers across the globe will charge.
But this assumes the court would rule that the case can go forward. That seems unlikely. I'd be surprised if it wasn't dismissed. It would be worth it if they do not dismiss it, just to see Evans panic as he realizes that he must now serve papers to seven people who live all over the planet.
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DerekMoors
I have a feeling they (magn.7) will never see those docum. unless ,again they pay to have a lawyer ,like DerekMoors and his wife did with the help of kim with the other legal papers... ?
Kim is still in contact with the lawyer and discussing how to move forward. We'll let Kim announce what she feels is best for the public to know when it's appropriate but rest assured, the lawyer hasn't gone anywhere so no more worrying about being left in the dark, one way or the other.
We've also mentioned to Kim that it would be great to go on the offensive, see about how to get Lloyd charged criminally for using prostitutes and with sex tourism for his trip to Thailand but one step at a time.
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Las Malvinas son Argentinas
We've also mentioned to Kim that it would be great to go on the offensive, see about how to get Lloyd charged criminally for using prostitutes and with sex tourism for his trip to Thailand but one step at a time.
Not sure how that can be accomplished. I think it is important to be grounded in all this and resist all temptation to out-Lloyd Lloyd. For many of the same reasons why I believe this case is going nowhere, I doubt their legal system is that interested in the online confessions of that dolt.
I think the full brunt of the legal system needs to be redirected at him within this case. He says people have slandered him, then how is he getting away with slander by labeling people as criminals? And if this is all BS and is going to be thrown out, what about attorney fees for foreigners who were threatened with jail time and fines from this guy who was abusing the court system?
If they are going to throw it out, maybe it's just best to keep it simple for the court and ask that he issue a retraction and update on his YT Community page and his Patreon one - the same venues he launched his threats and false information from?
That would hurt him more than any monetary award.
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Toblerone5
That would hurt him more than any monetary award.
Totally agree with you, cause if he had to pay them something for calling them criminal, he would just go on patreons play the victims and his worshipper would send money to him and they would end up paying the fine . It would be better to demand a public apology , to each 7 people ,film on video ,in the courtroom in front of the judge , to be sure there's not "ya but" they did this,ya but they said that... Then the judge could say one more stupid excuses like that Mister Evans and i will charge you with contempt of court. that's the part of the video I would play over and over,,,😁
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Thisismein1972
Just wondering if there's a possibility of getting Andrew Gold to do another interview. Maybe with some of the folks that had dealings with him way back when his flying monkeys were in full force.
And also an update to his recent shenanigans. Just to get a better picture of his history.