JWs and Christmas

by Rnadomchris83 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Rnadomchris83
    Rnadomchris83

    Hello all,

    I have been lurking around here for years. I'm not a witness, but my in-laws are. My wife grew up in it but was never baptized. She told me that when she was getting asked questions about her baptism, something went off in her, and she left. She was pretty much shunned from that point and never went back. This was when she was about 13-14. We have our own belief system now but that is another post.

    I ask as my mother-in-law has tried to convert the oldest kid for years. She is 22. This kid is from a previous marriage, but she is like mine.
    Anyway, her husband came over for the weekly visit last night. She stated that on (JW) TikTok there are talks of them allowing people to celebrate Christmas... Do you all think that will happen? I can't see it... but the way things are going, I'm sure they are trying to get as many people as they can to come into or back to the fold.

    I hate it for my inlaws as they are good people, but whenever we touch any religious subject, it's like the lights turn off, and they go into robot mode.

    Thanks for your input.

  • StephaneLaliberte
    StephaneLaliberte
    Well, it is hypocritical for them to condemn people who celebrate christmas when they were celebrating it at bethel when they claim to have been selected by Jesus as the only true religion back in 1919. That being said, I don't expect them to change their minds on this anytime soon.
  • Ron.W.
    Ron.W.

    I sometimes wonder if they did a U turn about Christmas how would they word it, in their unique style of making the publishers look like it was their fault own for NOT celebrating it in the recent past..

    “After prayerful consideration, the Governing Body has concluded that there is a need to clarify Christmas Celebrations. The Governing Body does not have an issue with brothers celebrating Christmas. Why not? Because the Scriptures do not condemn Christmas.”

  • blondie
    blondie

    "Even though Christmas is not the real anniversary of our Lord's birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human begetting (Luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our Lord's birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date. We may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate - "Christmas day."" Zion's Watch Tower 1904 Dec 1 p.364

  • NotFormer
    NotFormer

    "Anyway, her husband came over for the weekly visit last night. She stated that on (JW) TikTok there are talks of them allowing people to celebrate Christmas..."

    Suddenly, the possibility that the WT may allow such things makes sense! It allows people like your in-laws to invite estranged or distant family to a family gathering where they can take the hold of the narrative. That makes sense in the broader world, but in America and Canada, Thanksgiving would be the appropriate holiday to commandeer. Bethel could provide the appropriate "discussion" topics at the table and an appropriate form of prayer* before the meal.

    * Not Grace; they don't believe in grace 😉

  • Ron.W.
    Ron.W.

    👍👍

    Great quote - thank you!

    'The Governing Body is NOT SORRY for cancelling Christmas for so many decades. Nor is there a reason to apologise for all the family celebrations you have missed. Be sure to send the Governing Body cards, presents and money from this December onwards.

    We leave this matter in your capable (and gullible) hands brothers'.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    Rnadomchris83:

    Anyway, her husband came over for the weekly visit last night. She stated that on (JW) TikTok there are talks of them allowing people to celebrate Christmas... Do you all think that will happen?

    Not likely. They adjusted their policies about shunning last year, which included a purportedly more lenient attitude regarding repentance (so long as the person still believes what the denomination teaches and isn't an 'apostate'). Some have interpreted that to mean you can 'just say sorry' after committing some 'sin' (such as celebrating Christmas), and that is probably the source of the claims about Christmas being 'allowed'.

    The most recent reference to Christmas in The Watchtower is from the October 2024 issue, page 15:


    PICTURE DESCRIPTION: After being helped to reason on the Scriptures, a Bible student decides to throw away his Christmas decorations.
  • aqwsed12345
    aqwsed12345

    The discussion surrounding whether Jehovah’s Witnesses might one day permit the celebration of Christmas is intriguing, given their staunch opposition to this holiday. Their reasons for rejecting Christmas are rooted in its supposed "pagan origins" and the lack of explicit biblical authorization to celebrate Jesus' birth. Jehovah’s Witnesses claim moral and doctrinal high ground by rejecting Christmas, yet the history of the Watch Tower Society suggests otherwise. As Zion’s Watch Tower (1904) noted, the organization’s founder, Charles Taze Russell, acknowledged that Christmas could be celebrated as a tribute to Christ. The publication even stated that "it is not necessary to quibble particularly about the date" and endorsed participation with the "civilized world" in celebrating Christ’s birth on December 25th. Until 1928, Christmas was celebrated at the Watch Tower headquarters, including the exchange of gifts and festive meals. This practice occurred long after the organization claimed Jesus had "inspected" them in 1919 and deemed them the true religion. If Christmas was considered pagan or unacceptable, why was it celebrated during such a formative period?

    One of the primary arguments Jehovah’s Witnesses use to condemn Christmas is its alleged connection to paganism. However, this reasoning is flawed for several reasons. Jehovah’s Witnesses dismiss Christmas due to supposed pagan origins but inconsistently tolerate other customs with similar roots. For example, wedding rings, which are widely used by Witnesses, have origins in pagan rituals. Or the names of days and months (e.g., Thursday, named after the Norse god Thor) are of pagan derivation but are freely used without objection. The claim that Christmas was established to replace pagan festivals such as Sol Invictus is historically dubious. Scholarly research shows that December 25th was chosen based on theological reflection, such as the "integral age" theory, which posited that prophets died on the same date as their conception. This calculation places Jesus’ birth nine months after March 25th, the Feast of the Annunciation, resulting in December 25th.

    While the Bible does not mandate the celebration of Jesus’ birth, it provides ample precedent for commemorating significant acts of God. The angels announced Jesus’ birth with rejoicing, declaring, "Glory to God in the highest" (Luke 2:13-14). This heavenly response to the Incarnation sets a clear example for believers to commemorate this momentous event. Jewish culture, from which Christianity emerged, embraced annual festivals such as Passover to commemorate God’s saving acts (Exodus 12:14). Celebrating Christ’s birth aligns with this tradition of honoring God’s intervention in history.

    The Watch Tower Society’s stance on Christmas highlights broader inconsistencies in their doctrinal evolution. As mentioned in The Watchtower (October 2024), a Bible student is depicted discarding Christmas decorations after studying Scripture. Yet, this contradicts their earlier position in Zion’s Watch Tower, which viewed Christmas as a legitimate way to honor Jesus. The Governing Body has a history of adjusting policies to suit organizational goals. While Jehovah’s Witnesses currently reject Christmas, it is conceivable that this stance could change in the future, especially if it aligns with strategic interests.

    Critics often ask why December 25th was chosen if the Bible does not explicitly mention Jesus’ birthdate. Here’s why this date remains significant. December 25th, near the winter solstice, symbolizes the light of Christ entering the world. This analogy is supported by John 1:5, which describes Jesus as the light shining in the darkness. Early Christian writers such as Hippolytus of Rome (c. 170–235 AD) mentioned December 25th as the date of Christ’s birth, demonstrating that this tradition predates accusations of pagan influence.

    While Jehovah’s Witnesses reject Christmas based on claims of pagan origins and a lack of biblical command, these arguments are neither historically consistent nor theologically compelling. The celebration of Christ’s birth is rooted in biblical principles, theological reflection, and historical tradition. Furthermore, the Watch Tower Society’s own history of Christmas observance undermines its current stance. Ultimately, Christians celebrate Christmas not because of the date but because of the profound significance of the Incarnation—God becoming man to bring salvation to the world. This celebration aligns with biblical principles and the joyful proclamation of Christ’s coming, offering believers a meaningful way to honor God’s greatest gift to humanity.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    whenever we touch any religious subject, it's like the lights turn off, and they go into robot mode.

    This is a global phenomena among JW's. The robot mode you are referring to is the indoctrination kicking in reminding them that they alone have the "TRUTH"."

    To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12
    "The plain truth is that we cannot say that we trust in Jehovah if we do not trust in his earthly representatives - those whom Jehovah trusts. Today Jehovah leads the earthly part of his organisation by means of "the faithful and discreet slave."" Examining the Scriptures 23 June 2023
    "Today Jehovah leads the earthly part of his organization by means of “the faithful and discreet slave.” ... We show that we trust in Jehovah’s way of doing things by heeding the direction we receive from the organization and the elders." Watchtower 2022 Feb p.4
    "Some may feel that they can interpret the Bible on their own. However, Jesus has appointed the ‘faithful slave’ to be the only channel for dispensing spiritual food. Since 1919, the glorified Jesus Christ has been using that slave to help his followers understand God’s own Book and heed its directives." Watchtower 2016 Nov p.16

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