"And if some of those girls are still attending meetings, while being so comfortable very publicly prostituting themselves ... then name names Liam."
Why?
I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered
by no-zombie 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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no-zombie
You see NotFormer, its very easy for people to make sweeping statement to backup a claim. However people who want to be taken seriously, shouldn't be concerned if others ask for proof.
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liam
no-zombie
Liam are you admiring OnlyFan girls because they make a lot of money?
Who said I'm admiring them?
You seem to "Think" you are smart enough or maybe psychic, that you can make a judgement call on people, just by reading a few sentences on some post on the internet.
. its because they are "past all moral sense" and clearly love money and what money buys, above all else
Morals are subjective.
Morals are rules created by humanity, mostly out of emotional expression and the emotions we experience by the actions we do.
A child can grow up as a soldier in a “holy war”, or it can grow up as a humanitarian- and neither would think they are doing the wrong thing.
In addition, there is no way that any baptized Jehovah's Witness would could remain an OnlyFans sex worker without being disfellowshiped. And if some of those girls are still attending meetings, while being so comfortable very publicly prostituting themselves
Where have you been living the past decade?
The Governing Body of Jehovah's Wtinesses are rife with thousands of Child Sex Abuse coverups. Hundreds of elders have been caught sexually abusing children for years. These are Grown Ass Men, who were "Chosen" by Holy Spirit and who have sexually molested children as young as 5 years old for years. Men who are examples to the congregation and spiritual leaders for all to imitate. And yet 9 million people still follow them as God's only Channel. Some men, even with that knowledge, choose to continue to be elders and support the organization.
And yet it's "Inconceivable" for you to believe that young inexperience girls are on OnlyFans and still attend the Kingdom Hall. Why do you think High Power Celebrities and Sports figures who are Jehovah Witnesses can do the same thing and get away with it?
Grow up man! Accept and learn to live in the Real World, not some fantasy concept that you probably developed when you were indoctrinated in a doomsday religious Cult.
I can almost guarantee that if you were 18 years old in the Jehovah Witness organization and you were poor, you parents were struggling just to live, and you were a pretty female, and an opportunity arouse where you make a 10 minute video posing naked and got paid 5 million dollars a Month, and it was Legal according to the Law in the Country you live in............You would be doing the same thing.
But go ahead and deny it. Just like Stephen Lett denied the pedophile problem in the Organization.
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Anony Mous
I don’t agree that morals are subjective, that would mean we should accept the fact JW org breeds immorality.
I wouldn’t want my daughters to do OnlyFans, it may bring in a lot of money now, but eventually your beauty and fame runs out and that happens rather quickly. And then you have to live with the consequences, paid security or looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life if you’ve been somewhat famous isn’t cheap. If you do engage in prostitution with some of your highest paying members, who will want to have a stable relationship and kids with you later.
Most people have a rather objective sense of morality, wasting your life for short gains isn’t worth it.
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no-zombie
Liam ... let me say a few things.
Firstly, OnlyFans girls are not making 5 million dollars per month by "just posing naked" online. No ... they are doing a hell lot more, for that kind of money. However regardless of what they do, to me, they are no better than drug dealers ... people who have completely sold out their principles for money.
I say this because, if they were trying "just to escape poverty" then why do these girls continue after their first million. They don't of course. They very quickly begin buying very, very nice apartments and performance cars to enjoy a jet-setter lifestyle of the rich and famous.
And in your reference to "High Power Celebrities and Sports figures" doing outrageous things ... they all got away with it because they were not baptized. Even you should know that.
But finally, if you have read any of my previous posts, you'll know that I regularly confess the Organization's sins. However we are not the only religion with a child abuse problem, with the Catholic church in particular have a centuries long record of committing atrocities that far exceed the sexual abuse of children. Thus in this regard, everyone should have a more global perspective before slinging the mud around.
Lastly ... I would never give up my principles for anything. And while I'm not going elaborate here, if you knew me and what I've had to do in my life ... you would understand how insulting it is to say that I would whore myself out for gucci bags and diamond rings.
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Vidiot
I was going to write a new topic…
…about how I just can’t be bothered writing a new topic.
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no-zombie
Sometime Vidiot I get tired by just looking at some of the threads posted these days. Long gone are the times when people used to write some really insightful articles on a biblical or archeological theme. And in all truth, I had some nice lines of thought I wanted to share (mostly in praise of the Catholic church, actually) ... but instead I now see the most popular post by far, is still all about Lloyd Evans. And I just want to say, "for god's sake its done already, let's move on". But no, people still act like he's the center of the universe.
That's why I wonder what is the point writing about something serious ... maybe I should makeup some fart jokes instead.
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liam
Anony Mous
I don’t agree that morals are subjective, that would mean we should accept the fact JW org breeds immorality.
Morals being subjective Does Not Mean that we should accept the fact JW org breeds immorality or anything for that matter.
Subjective refers to something that is based on personal opinions, feelings, or beliefs rather than on objective facts. It often describes individual perspectives that can vary from person to person.
My example above makes this point;
Example; A child can grow up as a soldier in a “holy war”, or it can grow up as a humanitarian- and neither would think they are doing the wrong thing.
(Because it describes ‘Individual perspective based on personal opinions, feelings, beliefs rather than on objective facts.)
no-zombie
Firstly, OnlyFans girls are not making 5 million dollars per month by "just posing naked" online. No ... they are doing a hell lot more, for that kind of money.
A lot of them do make millions per month, and a lot of them Don’t. It’s a business, some make it some don’t.
However regardless of what they do, to me, they are no better than drug dealers ... people who have completely sold out their principles for money.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but me personally, I’m not one to condemn these young girls trying to make their way in this heartless world. I’m not one to throw the First stone.
But be my guest, you throw the first stone.
John 8; The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
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no-zombie
Liam if you would like to debate scripture and history, I'm up for it, as I'm well versed in both,
Firstly, doing OnlyFans is in no way comparable to first century prostitution.
Without any form of social security or government support, abandoned wives and their children (which was apparently common in Israel) had no options to support themselves, unless they had other family to return to. And unlike the movies, most people lived day to day, just above the poverty line. So inviting your sister and her kids back into your family long term, would have been a big ask. Recall too, first century had a virtually non-existent technical and middle class, which highly stratified the distribution of wealth. Which meant, most had little in reserve.
On the other hand, women today have a lot more choices and support than back then. Living in a crisis center must not be good at all, but even that is more than what was available back in Biblical times.
Thus its obvious these girls make OnlyFans; a lifestyle choice.
Scripturally Liam, of course we can judge people. We CAN judge them when they CONTINUE in a sinful course. The Bible is plain in this point. However if a person repents and stops disrespecting God's mercy, then of course, we must view them as Jesus did. Otherwise the whole concept of sin, just doesn't work.
The example you used in John chapter 8 actually supports my argument, not yours. In that the woman in question clearly displayed a contrite and repentant attitude a Jesus's feet. She was also a adulteress not a prostitute who was in the 'business'. Which is a far cry from the shameless OnlyFans girls who publicly promote their 'alternate lifestyle' ... unlike street prostitutes who work in the shadows of society.
People can make wrong choices in life and end up in a bad place ... but like the prodigal son in Luke 15, a person must be willing stop what they doing, to receive forgiveness and a new start.
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liam
no-zombie
In that the woman in question …..She was also a adulteress not a prostitute who was in the 'business' Which is a far cry from the shameless OnlyFans girls who publicly promote their 'alternate lifestyle' ... unlike street prostitutes who work in the shadows of society.
So you’re saying that on a scale of 1-10 for sin, 10 being the worst, an adulteress is a 1 prostitute in business is a 5 and a girl on OnlyFans is a 10.
1 Corthians 6: 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral…….. nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men …….will inherit the kingdom of God.
According to this bible verse, Adulterers AND a sexually immoral persons get the same punishment. Neither will inherit God’s Kingdom. It does not distinguish between a prostitute and an adulteress.
In fact, it was religious leaders throughout the ages that started rating sin in degrees. That’s why many Catholic priests usually ask the person in confession;
“And How Many times did you do this my child?” (number given) Priest says;
“Say Ten Hail Mary's and 15 Our Fathers”
But like I said Before; MORALS ARE SUBJECTIVE. And the example in John 8 proves my point that Morals are subjective. Just look closely at what happened.
The Pharisees interrupted Jesus and they Drag in a women caught in the act of Adultery and remind Him; “in the Law, Moses, Commanded us to Stone such Woman, so what do you say?”
Now, who did Moses get that law from? Moses got that law to stone such woman caught in Adultery from GOD.
So where was Jesus when God gave that command that a woman committing sexual relations with another married person, should be stone? Was Jesus in another room in heaven and didn’t hear God give that command to Moses? Was Jesus unaware of God’s thinking in this matter?
See they put Jesus in a pickle. Because if He says; “Stone Her” he contradicts His Image of this compassionate, moral reformer. Plus, He would also be violating Roman Law, which forbade Jews from carrying out executions. He would be arrested.
But if He says; “Don’t Stone Her” He is Denying the Law of Moses and is going against GOD’S OWN COMMANDMENTS.
Now if Morals were from God they would be Objective. Truth would be Truth under any circumstances. OnlyFans, Prostitutes, or just some woman sleeping with a man once, would all carry the same penalty.
There would be no debate that a woman committing adultery deserved to be stoned. The Law of Moses DID NOT ALLOW ROOM FOR A “contrite and repentant attitude” ……..Like you mentioned in your post.
The law was very specific. A woman caught committing adultery was to be stoned, Regardless.
So from the perspective of seeking the truth with regards to what type of sexual proclivities are considered BAD, vs NOT SO BAD, this example, if you believe Jesus, is very subjective.
In fact, any person that was there at the scene and seeking the truth in these matters of whether this type of sexual conduct was right or wrong, would leave learning NOTHING AT ALL.
Because Jesus doesn’t say if the law of Moses is right or wrong, and neither does he say if the woman is innocent or guilty.
And Why Doesn’t Jesus call out the man’s actions, since it takes two people to commit adultery?
Because Jesus was the product of His Time and Place and only saw the error of the Woman and sidestep the ISSUE and turned the focus on the accuser’s own Sins. Shaming people to get out of a tough spot.
And what made it worse for any sincere person seeking the Truth in these matters, Jesus walked away, leaving the woman’s legal issue UNRESOLVED, as well as the spiritual aspect of the matter.
That example in John 8 just reinforces that the differing sexual conduct that these girls are involved in is subjective based on Culture, Country, legal, and religious indoctrination.
There is no such thing as “Divine Definitions” on what’s a sin and what’s not a sin. Neither is there “Degrees of Sin” from a Divine Source.
All Degrees of sin are of Human Origin. Based on culture, personal preference, religious indoctrination, and tribal law.
That’s why the Watchtower can have legal doctrine that says if a man touches a woman’s genitalia, it’s grounds for divorce. But in other Christian organizations, that would not be grounds for divorce.
It’s all subjective.
And if you feel Girls that do OnlyFans have God’s disfavor, that’s you’re right. But I wouldn’t hold my breath believing God is going to destroy them, because women have been doing this type of behavior for hundreds of thousands of years, and their relatives millions of years, and as of yet, no Omniscient, Omnipotent, Benevolent God has stepped up to condemn them.
Only Humans condemn other Humans!