Still Confused About The FDS (page 2)

Earnest

NotFormer : the 144,000 are (or were until recently) the FDS.

As discussed previously, the 144,000 are in heaven. Those who are anointed on earth are referred to as the remant, the remaining ones. These remaining ones were (until 2012) understood to collectively be the FDS.

NotFormer : [The remnant] are Jesus ' brothers?

Correct. Matthew 25:31-46 makes a distinction between Jesus' brothers and sheep-like ones who support them. See, for example, the article Loyally Supporting Christ's Brothers.

NotFormer : [Every JW] who is not the [remnant] are the "other sheep".

Correct.

NotFormer: [The "other sheep"] are not Jesus’ brothers.

Correct, in the sense of Matthew 25:31-46.

NotFormer : Yet the GB, who are Jesus' brothers, refer to [the "other sheep"] as brothers and sisters. But how can that be?

Technically the "other sheep" are not brothers and sisters of Christ in the sense of Matthew 25, but they are still addressed as brothers and sisters as they share the same faith. I suppose the language is borrowed from Paul's letters without being pedantic that when Paul wrote he was writing to the brothers of Christ.

NotFormer: The [remnant] are from Jesus' family, but the [other sheep] are not part of Jesus' family.

Scripture only makes a distinction between Christ’s brothers and sheep-like ones. It doesn’t go beyond that.

NotFormer : If the great crowd is not related to Jesus, then who is their father?

The "other sheep" are not Jesus' brothers but God is the father of all.

NotFormer : If the GB are "our future kings", then shouldn't the other sheep...be referred to by the GB as "our future slaves"?

We are all slaves of Christ, are we not.

NotFormer : What now is the status of the [remnant]; do they matter? Are they the GB's brothers and sisters?

All members of the Governing Body claim to be spirit-anointed and are thus part of the remnant. So, yes, according to scripture support given to Christ's brothers on earth (i.e. the remnant) does matter. But I see your point that Matthew 25:31-46 was more pertinent when the entire remnant was understood to be the FDS.

NotFormer

Earnest, you do not see the logical fallacy that I am pointing out? The WT two-tier system is inconsistent and didn't exist in anyone's mind until Rutherford made it out of whole cloth.

"We are all slaves of Christ, are we not."

JWs are the slaves of the GB. The GB is not Christ.

Riley

The theme of the new testament is the covenant blessings of the Jewish people being opened to all of humanity. Any who believes what Christ did on the cross is sufficient for our sins and becomes the new person in Christ , these are the new people of god. The jew to the gentile.

Building core theology around the book of revelations that basically voids the new testament for anyone but 9 men is pretty bloody silly.

NotFormer

Riley: "Building core theology around the book of revelations that basically voids the new testament for anyone but 9 men is pretty bloody silly."

That's a pretty succinct summary. I wish I could remember something like that for when it comes up in conversation. 😅 The whole adventist movement grew out of people saying "I've figured out Revelation!", and as you said, built a theology around it while ignoring all the other 65 books (maybe not Daniel, though).

Phizzy

The whole FDS thing falls down from its very starting idea, the idea that a rather good Parable by Jesus was in any way prophetic of some group living 2,000 years later.

Jesus said himself he would return in the lifetime of those standing there listening to him, and the parable illustrates the very real situation that would have prevailed had he returned as promised, who would really be a true follower of his ? Which INDIVIDUALS would be like the Faithful Slave ? and which INDIVIDUALS would be like the Evil Slave ?

It is a PARABLE , and NOT A PROPHECY !

Vanderhoven7

Trust The Governing Body

https://youtu.be/59b33o-KgdE?si=U_S2bKcshQf6ZhEA

Earnest

NotFormer : Earnest, you do not see the logical fallacy that I am pointing out?

I understood your thread was to confirm whether or not your understanding was correct. I would have replied very differently if I was attempting to support the FDS doctrine.

NotFormer : The WT two-tier system is inconsistent and didn't exist in anyone's mind until Rutherford made it out of whole cloth.

The WT two-tier system is entirely consistent with the Bible teaching that some will be kings and priests in heaven as brothers of Christ, and others will live on the earth. Understanding differs as to who these others will be, but a two-tier system is entirely in harmony with the Bible and believed by most churches except those who teach the earth will be destroyed.

DesirousOfChange

Confused?

They are 8 (or 9, or 10, or 12, depending on when you're counting heads) delusional men that really, honest to God, think that God is "talking" to them, and "through" them to a few million sheeple followers (less than 1/10th of 1% of the world population), who have declared themselves, and them alone, as the Faithful & Discreet Slave spoken about in Matt. 24:45. Though just a few years ago, they taught that it was all of those who declared to be of the remaining members of the 144,000 (the "remnant"). Evidently that changed to it being ONLY the GB when the "F&D Slave" was named in a lawsuit and served to one of those claiming to be of the "remnant".

Wake up! It's all bullshit!

Let's review: It's a Cult!

Beth Sarim

The FDS doctrine falls in on itself.

Because what is built on is always shifting. It never had a firm foundation. Its liable to shift at any given time..

The doctrine falls apart. Indicative of what its built upon. Shifting sands

Beth Sarim

The FDS doctrine is as nonsensical as it sounds.

It will never make any sense. Because you cant make sense out of something made up.

Thats why it forever,,,,,changes. And,,,will keep on changing

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