Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-11-2015 WT Study (EXPECTATION)

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    blondie

    BLONDIE’S highlights FROM the10-11-2015 WT Study (AUGUST 15, 2015), pages (14-18)

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    KEEP IN EXPECTATION!

    “Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it!”—HAB. 2:3.

    SONGS: 128, 45

    OPENING COMMENTS

    Did God give a date? Did he or the WTS say that 1914 was the end of secular organizations and that self-named anointed members of the WTS would be going to heaven to rule with Christ. Or was that 1874 the beginning and a 40 year harvest period culminating in 1914. Or that Jesus became king in 1878 or was it 1914?

    When that date proved unreliable did they change it to 1925, the 1940’s, 1975, and with those failures, it is now been soon, very soon now, since 1975, 40 years ago?

    Members of the WTS are truly ignorant of their history despite a better book of their history in 1993. But how many read it on their own now? Did you? There was no such book when I was growing up, they were all out of print or non-existent.

    More failed predictions:

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

    HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?

    What reasons do we have for being confident that we are living in the last days?

    Why should the passing of time not prevent us from keeping on the watch?

    How can we show that we are keeping in expectation of the end of this system of things?

    1, 2. What attitude has long characterized worshippers of Jehovah?

    JEHOVAH’S worshippers have long lived in expectation of the fulfillment of inspired prophecies. For example, Jeremiah prophesied that Judah would be desolated, and that is what occurred at Babylonian hands in 607 B.C.E. (Jer. 25:8-11) Isaiah, who was inspired to foretell that Jehovah would bring about a restoration, declared: “Happy are all those keeping in expectation of him.” (Isa. 30:18) Micah, whose prophecies also involved God’s ancient people, personally resolved: “I will keep on the lookout for Jehovah.” (Mic. 7:7) For centuries, God’s servants also lived in expectation of the fulfillment of prophecies concerning the Messiah, or Christ.Luke 3:15; 1 Pet. 1:10-12. *’s

    Through the Messianic Kingdom, Jehovah will soon put an end to human suffering by destroying the wicked and delivering his people from this unstable world lying in Satan’s power. (1 John 5:19) Let us therefore remain alert and fully aware that this system is rapidly nearing its end.

    http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/607-1914.php

    3. What question might arise if we have been waiting for years for the end to come?

    3 As Jehovah’s servants, we yearn to see God’s will “take place, as in heaven, also on earth.” (Matt. 6:10) After looking forward to the end of this system for what may seem to be a long time, however, some may wonder, ‘Do we still have sound reasons to keep in expectation?’ Let us see.

    1879 TO 2015 = 136 YEARS THAT MEMBERS OF THE WTS HAVE BEEN WAITING

    WHY KEEP IN EXPECTATION?

    4. What is a primary reason for us to keep on the watch?

    4 The Bible leaves no doubt about what our attitude should be toward the impending destruction of this system of things. Jesus told his followers to “keep on the watch” and to “keep awake.” (Matt. 24:42; Luke 21:34-36) That in itself is a good reason to remain in expectation—Jesus told us to do so! In this regard, Jehovah’s organization has set an example. Its publications have consistently exhorted us to “await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah” and to fix our hope on God’s promised new world.—Read 2 Peter 3:11-13.

    COMMENTS

    Impending for 136 years? What kind of example has the WTS set of giving so many false dates?

    5. Why is there a special need to be watchful in our time?

    5 Although keeping in expectation was appropriate for Christians living centuries ago, it is particularly important for us. Why? Because we are living during Christ’s presence. The sign of his presence has been in evidence since 1914. And the multifeatured sign, which includes worsening world conditions and global Kingdom preaching, means that we are living in “the conclusion of the system of things.” (Matt. 24:3, 7-14) Since Jesus did not say how long that period of time would go on before the end arrived, we need to be especially vigilant, watchful.

    COMMENTS

    Jesus did not say but the WTS has predicting 1914, 1925, 1975.

    6. Why can we expect world conditions to worsen as we draw closer to the end?

    6 We might ask: Could not “the conclusion of the system of things” refer to a future time when world conditions will become even worse? The Bible does indicate that wickedness will greatly increase “in the last days.” (2 Tim. 3:1, 13; Matt. 24:21; Rev. 12:12) So we can expect that world conditions, bad as they are now, will continue to decline.

    COMMENTS

    The question is not will it get worse in the future and that it has already been worse in the past?

    7. What does Matthew 24:37-39 indicate about world conditions during the last days?

    7 But how bad do you expect conditions to become before “the great tribulation”? (Rev. 7:14) For example, do you expect that there will be a war in every country, no food on anyone’s table, and illness in every household? Under those conditions, even skeptics would likely feel compelled to admit that Bible prophecy was undergoing fulfillment. However, Jesus said that most people would take “no note” of his presence, carrying on with life’s normal activities until it is too late. (Read Matthew 24:37-39.) Thus, the Scriptures indicate that world conditions during the last days would not become so extreme that people would be forced to believe that the end is near.—Luke 17:20; 2 Pet. 3:3, 4.

    COMMENTS

    What kind of “reasoning” fallacy is this?

    For example, do you expect that there will be a war in every country, no food on anyone’s table, and illness in every household?

    8. What is evident to those who are heeding Jesus’ command to “keep on the watch”?

    8 On the other hand, for the composite sign to serve its purpose, the fulfillment of it would have to be obvious enough to command the attention of those who have been obeying Jesus’ counsel to “keep on the watch.” (Matt. 24:27, 42) And that has been the case since 1914. From that time onward, the features of the sign have been undergoing fulfillment. Clearly, we are now living in “the conclusion of the system of things”—a limited period of time leading up to and including the destruction of this wicked system.

    COMMENTS

    “a limited period of time” = 136 years?

    9. For what reasons should we remain in expectation of this system’s end?

    9 Why, then, should Christians today keep in expectation? Out of obedience to Jesus Christ, we remain in expectation. Also, we recognize the sign of his presence. Our expectations are based, not on a naive readiness to believe anything, but on solid Scriptural evidence that compels us to remain vigilant, awake, watchful and, yes, in expectation of this wicked system’s end.

    COMMENTS

    So now it’s Christians not “Jehovah’s people”? “solid Scriptural evidence” that the WTS has used to pinpoint 1914, 1925, and 1975, and 40 years later “very soon now.”

    HOW LONG?

    10, 11. (a) Jesus prepared his disciples for what possibilities? (b) What did Jesus tell his followers to do if their wait for the end proved to be longer than they had anticipated? (See opening image.)

    10 Many of us have been keeping awake spiritually for decades. However, let us not allow the passing of time to weaken our resolve to keep in expectation. We need to be ready for Jesus’ arrival as Executioner to end this system of things. Remember that Jesus exhorted his followers: “Keep looking, keep awake, for you do not know when the appointed time is. It is like a man traveling abroad who left his house and gave the authority to his slaves, to each one his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to keep on the watch. Keep on the watch, therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether late in the day or at midnight or at dawn or early in the morning, in order that when he comes suddenly, he does not find you sleeping. But what I say to you, I say to all: Keep on the watch.”—Mark 13:33-37.

    COMMENTS

    Yes, many for decades, the generation before me in my family, most all dead expecting that they would see the end of the system of things not death.

    *** ts chap. 18 pp. 165-166 Why Many Now Living Have Opportunity Never to Die ***The Bible clearly pinpoints the generation alive in 1914 C.E. as the one that will yet witness the ushering in of Kingdom rule free from Satanic interference. Hence, many living today will have the opportunity never to die. They will survive the destruction of the present ungodly system and thereafter gradually be freed from sin and brought to human perfection. As sinless humans they will then be exempt from sin’s wages—death.—Romans 6:23.

    11 Upon recognizing that Christ’s presence began in 1914, Jesus’ followers rightly prepared for a possible early arrival of the end. They did so by intensifying their Kingdom-preaching work. Jesus indicated that he might come later—“at dawn or early in the morning.” If that happened, how were his followers to respond? He said: “Keep on the watch.” So a long wait would not justify mentally postponing the end or totally dismissing their expectations.

    COMMENTS

    After several false starts….presence started in 1874, kingship in 1878, and the destruction in 1914.

    http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

    12. What did Habakkuk ask Jehovah, and how did God respond?

    12 Consider the prophet Habakkuk, who was commissioned to foretell the destruction of Jerusalem. By the time he arrived on the scene, warnings of that city’s desolation had already been sounded for years. Conditions had reached the point where ‘the wicked surrounded the righteous and justice was perverted.’ So it is not surprising that Habakkuk asked: “How long, O Jehovah, must I cry for help?” Instead of answering that question directly, Jehovah assured his faithful prophet that the foretold destruction would “not be late.” God told Habakkuk to “keep in expectation.”—Read Habakkuk 1:1-4; 2:3.

    COMMENTS

    How many years, 136? Less than 40 years.

    13. What attitude could Habakkuk have had, and why would that have been unwise?

    13 Suppose Habakkuk had become discouraged and thought: ‘I have been hearing about Jerusalem’s destruction for years. What if it is still a long way off? It does not seem realistic to keep prophesying as if the city might suddenly be destroyed. I will leave that to others.’ If Habakkuk had entertained such ideas, he would have lost his favored position before Jehovah—and possibly his life during the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians!

    COMMENTS

    “Suppose” the WTS proceeds to put words into Habakkuk’s mouth, the bible, as they do in their so-called bible dramas.

    14. Why can we be certain that by keeping in expectation, we will not come to disappointment?

    14 In the new world, we will have reason to reflect on the fact that all the foretold events associated with the conclusion of the system of things did indeed take place. Meditating on how matters actually turned out will further strengthen our confidence in Jehovah and his promises yet to be fulfilled. (Read Joshua 23:14.) We will surely be thankful that God, who ‘has placed times and seasons in his own jurisdiction,’ exhorted us to live with an awareness that ‘the end of all things had drawn close.’—Acts 1:7; 1 Pet. 4:7.

    COMMENTS

    “New World” not “New Order” not “New World Order” (which the WTS never uses except to quote others outside the organization)” not “New System. How many jws realize that when they pray for the end of wickedness they pray for the death of all non-jws, over 8 billion?

    EXPECTATION MEANS ACTION!

    Do you zealously share in preaching the good news? (See paragraph 15)

    15, 16. Why is intensified preaching the most sensible response to the times in which we live?

    15 We can expect that Jehovah’s organization will continue to remind us that we should serve God with a sense of urgency. Such reminders are provided not merely to keep us busy in God’s service but to help us remain aware that the sign of Christ’s presence is now undergoing fulfillment. What is the most sensible response to the times in which we are living? Why, it is for us to keep on seeking first the Kingdom and God’s righteousness by having a zealous share in preaching the good news!—Matt. 6:33; Mark 13:10.

    COMMENTS

    Why do the reminders come from an organization led by humans who have many teachings not based on any scripture and failed predictions? It becomes like the Pharisees and Sadducees that added to the Law creating the Talmud.

    (Matthew 15:1-9) . . .Then there came to Jesus from Jerusalem Pharisees and scribes, saying: 2 “Why is it your disciples overstep the tradition of the men of former times? For example, they do not wash their hands when about to eat a meal.” 3 In reply he said to them: “Why is it YOU also overstep the commandment of God because of YOUR tradition? 4 For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Let him that reviles father or mother end up in death.’ 5 But YOU say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother: “Whatever I have by which you might get benefit from me is a gift dedicated to God,” 6 he must not honor his father at all.’ And so YOU have made the word of God invalid because of YOUR tradition. 7 YOU hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about YOU, when he said, 8 ‘This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. 9 It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines.’”

    16 One sister commented: “By preaching the good news of God’s Kingdom, we . . . can help to rescue persons from sure death in the coming world catastrophe.” She knows something about being rescued, for she and her husband were survivors of one of the worst maritime disasters in history—the sinking of the luxury liner Wilhelm Gustloff in 1945. Even in the face of such peril, a person could have the wrong view of what is truly important. The sister recalled that one woman kept wailing: “My suitcases! My suitcases! My jewelry! All my jewelry is down there in the cabin. I have lost everything!” By contrast, several passengers who were moved by a spirit of helpfulness risked their lives working hard to rescue people who had fallen into the icy seas. Like those unselfish passengers, we do our utmost to help people. We keep the urgency of our preaching work in mind and help others to become survivors of the impending world catastrophe before it is too late.

    COMMENTS

    If jws are interested in rescuing people, why do they go to their doors when they are most likely not to be home because it interferes with jw recreation time; why do they make return visits weeks after contacting the person, why do they not try not at homes at a different time but keep going back at the same time? Do jws risk their lives for non-jws, how is that when they do not risk their lives for fellow believers?

    Do you make wise decisions so that no distractions rob you of a sense of urgency? (See paragraph 17)

    17. What reasons do we have to believe that the end could come at any time?

    17 Events on the world scene clearly indicate that Bible prophecy is now being fulfilled and that the end of this wicked system of things is imminent. Therefore, we should not assume that much time is needed for the state of this world to develop to the point where “the ten horns” and “the wild beast” of Revelation 17:16 turn on Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. Let us bear in mind that God will “put it into their hearts” to make that move—and this could happen swiftly and at any time! (Rev. 17:17) The end of this entire system of things is not far off. With good reason, we should heed Jesus’ warning: “Pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you as a snare.” (Luke 21:34, 35; Rev. 16:15) Let us be resolved to serve Jehovah with a sense of urgency, confident that he “acts in behalf of those who keep in expectation of him.”—Isa. 64:4.

    COMMENTS

    Who are the “ten horns” now per the WTS?

    w15 7/15 p 15 “Your Deliverance is Getting Near!”

    • “Your Deliverance Is Getting Near”!
    • The Watchtower (2015)

    But who will destroy the harlotlike organization? Jehovah God will put “his thought” into the hearts of “the ten horns” of the “scarlet-colored wild beast.” These horns represent all the present political powers that give support to the United Nations, an organization pictured by the “scarlet-colored wild beast.”Read Revelation 17:3, 16-18.

    Who is the “wild beast” of Revelation 17:16 now per the WTS?

    w 12 6/15 p. 16-7 JEHOVAH REVEALS WHAT SHORTLY MUST TAKE PLACE

    THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST DEVOURS THE HARLOT

    15, 16. The harlot symbolizes what, and what has happened to her support?

    15 According to John, upon a scarlet-colored wild beast—the image of the wild beast—rides a symbolic harlot, dominating it. She bears the name “Babylon the Great.” (Rev. 17:1-6) This harlot fittingly stands for all false religion, foremost of which are the churches of Christendom. Religious organizations have given their blessing to the image of the beast and have tried to exert influence over it.

    17. What will soon happen to false religion, and why?

    17 False religion, however, will not just fade away. The harlot will remain a potent force, attempting to bend kings to her will until God plants an idea in the hearts of those in power. (Read Revelation 17:16, 17.) Soon Jehovah will cause the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations, to attack false religion. They will destroy her influence and devastate her riches. Such an event may have seemed unlikely just decades ago. Today, the harlot teeters on the back of the scarlet-colored beast. Even so, she will not slip slowly from her seat. Her tumble will be sudden and violent.—Rev. 18:7, 8, 15-19.

    “not far off” but it has been 136 years!

    18. What question will be considered in the next article?

    18 As we await the end of the present wicked system of things, let us heed the disciple Jude’s inspired words: “Beloved ones, build yourselves up on your most holy faith, and pray with holy spirit, in order to keep yourselves in God’s love, while you await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ with everlasting life in view.” (Jude 20, 21) How, though, can we show that we are living in expectation of God’s promised new world and are really looking forward to it? That will be the subject of our next article.

    ^ par. 1 For a list of some Bible prophecies regarding the Messiah and their fulfillments, see page 200 of the book What Does the Bible Really Teach? (remember that these will be the adjusted WT views not what they have taught)

    COMMENTS

    And so the WTS ends with the carrot, “everlasting life in view.”

    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    I think the flock are getting more nervous…the end is not yet.

    Love, Blondie

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    And what are they keeping in expectation for? They are in for a rude awakening if that filthy messiah does show up, since that thing will simply enslave the whole human race. The reptilians will suck us all dry, imposing full communism worse than what Russia had in the 1920s. Eventually, the earth will be totally ruined, a barren wasteland, and then those reptilians will pick another planet to ruin.

    And, guess who the reptilians answer to? Yup, joke-hova.

  • blondie
    blondie
    Have you been watching too much Ancient Aliens? Very colorful though.
  • onightdivine
    onightdivine
    Thank goodness, I wasn't at the meeting today.
  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    I have a hard time reading their writing anymore; it is nothing more than unsupported assertion and loaded language.

    I LOVE the way you use old quotes to show their 'new light' as what is really is; they are making it up as they go.

    Nice job blondie

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7
    Marked
  • apocalypse
    apocalypse

    We tried this, all active JW's should try this too.

    Ask an elder, or a long-time 'spiritual' dubber, this one question. See where it takes you.

    "Brother, has the generation of 1914 passed away?" Listen for the response. It's going to be interesting...

    Best to do this in person, so you can watch the squirming.

    At first, they will answer according to common sense. "Yes"... they will say, and then perhaps offer some attempt at qualification of their answer.

    After they have answered, they will slowly realize the implications. (If your choice of JW meat was unusually leathery, you might have to chew a bit.) Give them a little nudge, as they may, after answering, have a sense that something ain't right but they are unable to nail it down. Give a little help.

    Say, "cause if it did, then Jesus words that the generation wouldn't pass away failed".. now they see it!

    This is where they change horses mid-stream. And anybody knows, if you do that ...you drown.

    The brother will then come back with the opposite answer. "No!" he will say. "It hasn't"... Aha! an epiphany.

    He will go on to tell you what he has 'just recently learned' about the overlapping generation.

    Oh goodie. The water is boiling.

    Then present the query, "is the generation in between also an overlapping generation?"... 'What do you mean?', he will ask. (never thought about it)

    Then say, "Brother Franz was of the current governing body's grand-parent's generation... the generation of 1914 was their grand parent's, not parent's generation, so what of the generation in between? Is that another over lapper?


    Oh oh. Problem. While he's pondering the stupidity of it all and he's thinking of the Hindenburg burning down, add this.

    Brother, the Awake magazine used to say in the front page that it's purpose was to build faith that the generation of 1914 would NOT pass away ...and they have removed it. If they believe it has not -and will not- then why did they take it out? And not put it back?



  • blondie
    blondie
    Apocalypse, you are assuming that jws know the history of their own religion even if they lived through it.
  • wannaexit
    wannaexit

    ...Actually Apocalypse is spot on because I had this banter and got the reaction he talks about. By the way Apocalypse is my hubby. :)

  • vinman
    vinman

    I never thought the Watchtower said this about 1799! The Harp of God: Par. 408

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