Things Rutherford got wrong that Fred Franz had to clear up

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  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that Rutherford was in some way preferable to Fred Franz, because I’ve not come across this view before. It made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why I hold the opposite view and prefer Fred Franz to Rutherford. I haven’t done any additional research, so I’m only drawing on what I can remember off the top of my head, but I thought I’d list a few things where I reckon Fred Franz’s approach was preferable to Rutherford.

    1. Rutherford stopped songs and music at the meetings. Fred Franz loved music and singing and restored them when Rutherford died. It would be pretty strange to have meetings with no music.

    2. Rutherford insisted on the rather forced reading of Romans 13 that the “superior authorities” are not governments but Jesus and Jehovah. That was a pretty incredible claim that Franz had to walk back while maintaining neutrality as a principle that is not dependent on this forced reading of this passage.

    3. Rutherford introduced a strange teaching that in modern times God uses only the angels rather than the holly spirit to guide his followers. Again, Franz dropped that.

    4. Rutherford introduced militaristic language to describe congregations rather as “companies” as if engaged in warfare (a bit like the Salvation Army). Again, Franz ended that.

    5. Rutherford got rid of elders as the means of organising congregations. It is not as clear in this instance that Franz was instrumental in restoring bodies of elders, or if he allowed the change to be made by others, but elders did come back, in a new form.

    6. Rutherford engaged in personal attacks in bethel and through the pages of the publications against Johnson and Moyle and others. Whatever his other faults, I don’t think Franz engaged in that, certainly not in the printed literature as Rutherford did.

    7. Rutherford was anti-intellectual as well as anti-cleric, anti-business, anti-politics (some would say anti-social - ha!) whereas, whether you agreed with Franz or not, he did attempt to read and engage with academic literature on Bible languages and interpretation, which made for more interesting material.

    Those are some things where I think where Franz was preferable to Rutherford. I am probably forgetting and/or missing loads of relevant issues. These don’t get into the personal habits of either which is a whole other, though largely unverifiable area where Rutherford has come in for greater criticism than Franz.

  • stan livedeath
    stan livedeath

    I think they were both worse

  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    I can never figure out for sure if Rutherford was a true believer (who really beleived that he was God's chosen) or if he recognized that he was running a massive racket and just having fun with it. He seemed to make doctrinal changes for the sake of differentiating the organization from other Christian groups. I think Franz took the JW religion seriously and wanted others to do so as well. He didn't clean everything up (such as restoring a lot of holidays and religious observances) but he did try to roll back some of the more egregious stuff.

    He probably should have scrapped Rutherford's penchant for predicting the end, but I suppose he couldn't help himself.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I don’t think it needs to be either/or, Tonus. I reckon everyone doubts to some degree, no matter what their belief or position. Rutherford had a lot of good reasons in his personal experience to suspect that he was being used by God. Consider his backstory of being imprisoned by the US government and being opposed within his own movement. Not only did he overcome all that, but by the end of his life the movement was thriving and expanding like never before. If you really put yourself in the mind the person, who wouldn’t believe you are blessed by God in that situation?

    On the other hand, there is good evidence he didn’t treat his wife particularly well, was estranged from his son, fell out with many people, afforded himself luxuries in a time of poverty, not to mention suspicions about his womanising and alcoholism. Don’t these indicate cynicism rather than true belief? Possibly. Yet even biblical stories such as David combine true belief with shocking immoral behaviour. One apparently doesn’t exclude the other, especially for those in positions of power and wealth. We can judge their behaviour but it’s not the same as saying that he himself didn’t believe what he preached.

    Strangely, I think a stronger case might be made for Knorr having doubts about the religion he led, because there is testimony from a few people that he didn’t believe the more eccentric doctrines and was far more interested in the technicalities of managing a publishing empire than in the niceties of theology.

  • dropoffyourkeylee
    dropoffyourkeylee

    The flag issue was one. Rutherford presented (and lost) the Gobitas case as freedom of religion. In Barnette, Franz/Knorr/Covington reinvented it as a 1st Amendment case of freedom of speech, which they won.

    edit to add: Identifying as a 'religion'. Under Rutherford, all 'religion' was a snare and a racket. We are not a religion, have no clergy or creed. About 1950, (a dark blue book, I forget the name of it) Franz et al changed it to 'there is true religion and false religion'. I believe this one falls under the umbrella of doctrinal changes to support draft exemption claims. All JW men are 'ministers', so they had to identify as a religion in the government's eyes.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    I was interested by the suggestion in a recent discussion that Rutherford was in some way preferable to Fred Franz, because I’ve not come across this view before. It made me rethink my assumptions and try to work out why I hold the opposite view and prefer Fred Franz to Rutherford.

    I don't know why and don't care. That's like comparing Hitler to China’s Mao Zedong and trying to figure out which one murdered the fewest people so you can determine your preference.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Fred Franz “cleared things up”? 🤨

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