Make America Great Again Hats...would you wear one? (page 5)

jp1692

That being said, I'm still waiting for a specific answer to the questions that Cofty, Sparrowdown and I posed:

What is it -- right now (or 2016,if you prefer) -- about America that isn't great? (Be specific.)
When was this time that the word 'again' implies? When was it exactly that those who endorse this slogan believe that America "was great"?
What does a "great" America look like? Is it a reference to the fifties? Eighties? Pre 911? Pre political correctness?
Why exactly do they think that America "was great" then, but not now?
What values and beliefs are implicit in accepting this slogan and everything that goes with it?
Correspondingly, what values and beliefs does accepting this slogan require a person to thereby reject?

No takers ....

Old Navy

Quote from Cofty:

Serious question - When was this time that the word 'again' implies?

Undoubtedly this refers to the Roaring Twenties when Money and its companion The Love of Money were abundant and prosperity was everywhere.

Trump is a wheeler-dealer who is into Money as a True Lover of Money would be. Money is his obsession. His "Deals" are all about Money. And Power. And diverting Money from The Swamp into his own areas of interest.

America is in very deep trouble.

Will Trump make a difference? We'll soon discover how that's gonna shake out. The Swamp is powerful and bloodthirsty.

minimus

Trump donates his salary. Whatever he works for gets donated. That’s not good enough??

minimus

For what it’s worth, Obama did not make America great. It seemed he wanted to disdainfully apologize for the country anytime he could. Trump is thankfully the opposite of everything Obama and Hillary stood for.

Brokeback Watchtower

No because I think they're dumb. America don't need to become great again, what the hell does it even mean? It's almost as corny as Obama's vote for change theme, they both mean absolutely nothing.

Wearing one would make me feel like some kind of mindless herd animal.

humbled

MAGA?

Most slogans are like Chinese fortune cookies.

When you first hear them they make every kind of sense, then —in a flash —they don’t make any sense at all.

ShirleyW

A comment above mentions that Trump donates his salary and isn't that good enough. Good enough for what? and by the way, I wouldn't be too sure of that donating part. I' ve read where he said he donated to a certain Organization, which he did not.

So, if the person who posted that above didn't directly here that from Trump, how do we know it's true, you read it, like I read he hasn't donated to certain Organizations like he said he had.

(now I'll sit back and wait to see how many dislikes I get from all the Drumpf supporters here)

Jehalapeno

What is it -- right now (or 2016,if you prefer) -- about America that isn't great?

I'm just going to give one thing that I think is probably the root of all the other issues: people are increasingly no longer able to have rational political discussions without one side or the other resorting to ad hominem attacks and then retreating to their information silos/echo chambers thereby further exacerbating the polarization of the public. People are often shunned just because they support a conservative idea or a marxist idea.

When was this time that the word 'again' implies? When was it exactly that those who endorse this slogan believe that America "was great"?

I think this question varies depending on who you're talking to, but for me, it's a combination of periods of time...I like the optimism of the Kennedy era, the economy of the Eisenhower or Clinton era, the strength of the Reagan era and the governmental libertarianism of the Washington era (without all the slavery).

What does a "great" America look like? Is it a reference to the fifties? Eighties? Pre 911? Pre political correctness?

This question is basically the same as the above. But yes, pre-political correctness is a good start. You can't have a frank and rational discussion about complex ideas without the possibility that someone will have their sensibilities offended.

Why exactly do they think that America "was great" then, but not now?

I think this question is answered above.

What values and beliefs are implicit in accepting this slogan and everything that goes with it?

The free exchange of ideas, judging people on the content of their character (meritocracy/MLK view) rather than their group identity.

Correspondingly, what values and beliefs does accepting this slogan require a person to thereby reject?

I feel it can best be summed up as a governmental policy of, "Clean your room before you try to fix the world." America first doesn't mean we don't help others, but if helping others comes at the cost of American citizens, then you should still default to America first.

freemindfade

What is it -- right now (or 2016,if you prefer) -- about America that isn't great? (Be specific.)

We are in the midst of an ideological civil war, that hopefully doesn't materialize into a real civil war. This I believe is not being pushed by the majority of Americans but smaller, louder factions. Trump and his rhetoric push the divide, the keepers of the culture (MSM, celebrities, universities) push further and further the other way. if you have to ask me which came first the chicken (trump) or the egg (lefist culture) as far as the flash point, i would have to say the fault lies in the left. Trump was a gift from the left, not the right.

When was this time that the word 'again' implies? When was it exactly that those who endorse this slogan believe that America "was great"?

I firmly believe America can never be perfect, and "good" has not been a destination but a pursuit. America is an ideology, and to say "great again", I think is to say put it back on its track that got us many great things that have come from the American experiment. Not just for America but for the world.

What does a "great" America look like? Is it a reference to the fifties? Eighties? Pre 911? Pre political correctness?

Again, similar answer to above. We have a disaster of people thinking everything bad America has done is the result of America being bad. But the reality is, for most of human history on earth, life for people has not been very good at all. Until the European enlightenment, that gave rise to the principles that make America. A lot of the bad things have been done away with, including things America was at first involved in, IE slavery. America didn't invent slavery, most of the world since the rise of agriculture employed slavery, AMERICA ENDED IT. People forget. That's where the genius ideas of the founding fathers are what matters. It gives us the tools to make things better.

A great America looks like one of ultimate freedom and sovereignty of the individual. A culture that nurtures self-reliance and love of liberty. Again a progressive pursuit, not a specific time.

Why exactly do they think that America "was great" then, but not now?

The things I mentioned above: ultimate freedom and sovereignty of the individual. A culture that nurtures self-reliance and love of liberty. Again a progressive pursuit, not a specific time. All seem to be in danger, and new Marxist mentality is rising up and it threatens the trajectory to continue this progress and return to pre-enlightenment tribalism!

What values and beliefs are implicit in accepting this slogan and everything that goes with it?

Not a fan of political slogans, but i think this one is a return to the principles that started America. The idea of liberty over government elitism and political compulsion of speech and thought.

Correspondingly, what values and beliefs does accepting this slogan require a person to thereby reject?

That America is evil. America is bad. The reality of America is the story of western ideas and enlightenment out of darkness. American is not the tyranny and oppression leftists would have you think it is, but the system that OVERCAME those things. The world is in a pretty good place despite what leftists and JWS would have you believe, people have more than ever, live longer, things are actually really good, but people have also lost their gratitude. So really maybe America is the greatest its ever been, but if we undermine what got it here, we risk losing it all. America didn't always do great things, but it gave us what we need to pursue great things. Freedom

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