Waton, this is from a theological point of view. If you are not that way inclined, feel free to ignore it. But, I believe reasons for it will soon become apparent (cf. Rev. 6:12-17).
the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.
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waton
reasons for it will soon become apparent (cf. Rev. 6:12-17).
Vidqun, please elaborate on that, the "it". is it just 'looking at' vs partaking of the symbols you are emphasizing? or the "ruler" versus the tribal populations in general?
Literally, the next solar eclipse in upstate NY will not happen until 3 years and 2 weeks from now,
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johnamos
I guess it depends on your view of 'SOON'...but there is nothing 'SOON' about Rev. 6:12-17 occurring if that is what you are saying. Everyday until the GT does begin, Rev. 6:12-17 is always 3 1/2 years away.
[12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair,* and the entire moon became as blood,+ 13 and the stars of heaven fell to the earth as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind drops its unripe figs. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll that is being rolled up,+ and every mountain and every island was removed from its place.+ 15 Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.+ 16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us+ and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne+ and from the wrath of the Lamb,+ 17 because the great day of their wrath has come,+ and who is able to stand?”+]
[21 for then there will be great tribulation+ such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.+ 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.+… 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,+ and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.+ 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief,+ and they will see the Son of man+ coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.+]
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menrov
Is Jesus not ruling already since 1914 (or around that year)? According to WT, He is ruling invisibly. So, there is no need to remember his death as he is alive and is now ruling for his people (again, according to WT). So, again, even according to their own doctrines, they should now partake or have a memorial at all.
Cor. 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, 'This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.' 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.' 26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." (1 Corinthians 11:23-26)
But hey, without the WT invented memorial season, what else do they have to feel important?
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waton
menrov:
they have a song that says: " the kingdom is here, [so] let it come".
There is the kingdom of the Son's, Col 1, . the kingdom of 1914 (1919 GB), the millenium and the eternal kingdom. Of those 4,
it is at the end of the millenium that would be the "coming: or the arrival, the presence of wt perfection. brought on by the new covenant blood. so:
why would those aspiring to perfection, on earth, obtained through the ransom covenant not partake now, and until the deed is done > 10 centuries from now?
where does it say the ransom covenant blood is not needed during the 1000 years. ?
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Vidqun
Johnamos, my research tell me otherwise. I stick with "soon." Time will tell.
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Vidqun
Menrov, as a matter of fact, Christ has not started ruling as yet. He will only take over the rulership of the world after the seventh trumpet blast (cf. Rev. 11:14, 15) which points to the future. I have researched it and can demonstrate it by using the Greek words stephanos (laurel wreath) and cornona (crown or diadem) in the book of Revelation.
στέφανος, like the Latin corona, is a crown in the sense of a chaplet, wreath, or garland, the badge of victory in the games, of civic worth, of military valour, of nuptial joy, of festal gladness. The crown worn by the rider of the white horse (Rev. 6:2), however, is clearly a victory wreath and serves to designate victory as the task of this rider. See EDNT.
John continues: “And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. His eyes are a fiery flame, and upon his head are many diadems” [διαδήματα πολλά, NA28]. John explains what this means: “He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, And upon his outer garment, even upon his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.” His status as God’s appointed warrior king is confirmed by him wearing “many diadems” (Rev. 19:11, 12, 16).
διάδημα (διαδέω, to bind round), the diadem is the sign of royal status, i.e., the blue band marked with white with which Persian kings used to bind on the turban or tiara; the kingly ornament for the head. Rev. 12:3: the dragon has “seven diadems” on its seven heads; 13:1: the beast has “ten diadems” on its ten horns; 19:12: the rider of the white horse has “many diadems” on his head. This makes it clear that Christ’s kingship is superior to that of the dragon and its beast. See EDNT and Thayer. -
Vidqun
Waton, the signs are there. Around the sun are concentrated a family of huge stellar cores, i.e., brown and red dwarfs, which can be readily observed on a clear day with normal photographic equipment fitted with Polaroid and light density filters. The stellar cores sap the sun of its corona, causing it to emit predominantly high energy photons which we register as red and blue light (red + blue > purple). This causes the earth to be constantly bombarded by high levels of radiation. Massive explosions of the sun sporadically eject some of the smaller stellar cores, scattering them all over the solar system. Because of their enormous size, these are to cause carnage on the surface of the earth by means of climate change and tidal fluctuations. Underneath, these are to stir up the oceans of magma of the mantle, sure to increase the amount of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. The accompanying debris increases the potential for fiery meteor showers. Last, but not least, is the developing pole shift. Magnetic north is already moving south at a rapid rate. I have written a book about it. See example at bottom. If you are interested, send me an e-mail address and I'll send you a PDF copy. Not easy reading but I am sure you will manage.
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Vidqun
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Vidqun
Waton, the signs are there. Around the sun are concentrated a family of huge stellar cores, i.e., brown and red dwarfs, which can be readily observed on a clear day with normal photographic equipment fitted with Polaroid and light density filters. The stellar cores sap the sun of its corona, causing it to emit predominantly high energy photons which we register as red and blue light (red + blue > purple). This causes the earth to be constantly bombarded by high levels of radiation. Massive explosions of the sun sporadically eject some of the smaller stellar cores, scattering them all over the solar system. Because of their enormous size, these are to cause carnage on the surface of the earth by means of climate change and tidal fluctuations. Underneath, these are to stir up the oceans of magma of the mantle, sure to increase the amount of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. The accompanying debris increases the potential for fiery meteor showers. Last, but not least, is the developing pole shift. Magnetic north is already moving south at a rapid rate. I have written a book about it. See example at bottom. If you are interested, send me an e-mail address and I'll send you a PDF copy. Not easy reading but I am sure you will manage.