Is Jehovah WITHHOLDING something from Jesus?

by BoogerMan 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Hmmm!

    'Church Age', 'the rapture', etc is that terminology somehow different to the jw's use of terms like, 'governing body,' 'anointed,' 'other sheep' etc.

    Not defending the (indefensible) jws, just pointing out that all religions develop their own terminology.

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze
    just pointing out that all religions develop their own terminology

    Not really. When you leave the WT, you start to find out that there is a whole set of language terms most everyone else knows....but you don't. Terms that are in widespread use among Christians of different flavors.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Umm! Yes, I'd agree that there can be a lot of jargon (in your words- 'a whole set of language terms) among special interest groups. You seem to be North American so yes! a term like 'rapture' carries special meanings to members of North American churches (like verbal shorthand) but may not be used by members of other churches. In the Anglican church I attended when young, I don't think that term was ever used. Later I worked at Sydney Uni and went to lot's of protestant meetings without ever coming into contact with that (jargon) word. Do Catholics use that word? Do Orthodox Christians use that term?

    I'm sorry for attaching such a long quote, but here's a complaint about the word, by a person that seems to be a member of a web-site with the title, "International Churches of God."

    Quote:

    FOR THOSE WHO THINK IM.SAYING THERE IS NO COMING OF CHRIST; IM NOT DOUBTING MY LORDS RETURN . IM SHOWING YOU BIBLICALLY WHY IT IS NOT CALLED THE RAPTURE. satan has been working on TAKING SOULS WITH LIES for a long time.
    OUR FATHER DOES NOT WANT THAT SO WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THIS TIME TO REPENT, CHANGE, FORGIVE AND FOCUS ON GODS WORD. SHĀLÖM
    Rapture: NOT IN BIBLE AND IM NOT SAYING THE LORD is not coming..
    IM ONLY SAYING IT IS NOT CALLED THE RAPTURE.
    MAN ADDED THAT TO A BIBLE BIG EVENT ABOUT CHRIST 2ND COMING.
    FIRST 4 YEARS AGO I CALLED THEM ON IT , I WAS HATED AND ATTACKED THEY CHANGED GODS WORDS
    FALLING AWAY
    TO ;
    CAUGHT UP BUT IT WAS UNDER THE DEFINITION OF RAPTURE BUT as an EMOTIONAL CAUGHT up. And the main definition FOR RAPTURE is feeling ecstasy and elation AND CARNEL words we feel emotionally and physically.
    The 2ND COMING IS SPIRITUALLY WE ARE ASCENDED UP TO THE SKY FOR A A GATHERING.
    I WAITED 4 YEARS TO EVEN BRING IT UP AGAING JOW THE WORD THEY ARE CHANGING FOR FALLING AWAY
    IS ;
    CATCHING AWAY
    AND CALLING THE 2ND COMING THE RAPTURE AGAIN...
    THEY ARE CALLING THE 2ND COMING THE rapture which is not in the BIBLE AND GOD DOESNT NEED OUR HELP CHANGING ADDING OR REMOVING. I FOUND THE FATHER WITH CHRIST TEACHING ONLY IN GODS WORD.
    THERE WILL BE A FALLING AWAY, THOSE DECEIVED, THOSE WHO ARE evil. Those who lied and rejected GODS WORDS AND GOD MADE THEM DELUSIONAL
    THEN satan will be exposed then the 2ND COMING OF CHRIST .
    CHRIST IS NOT COMING BACK; 3RD TIME . IF YOU READ WORD AS INSTRUCTED.
    DO NOT ADD OR REMOVE OR USE BIBLES THAT HAVE IT REMOVES SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING
    AND THOSE WHO ADD TO OR REMOVE ARE COMMITTING AN ABOMINATION AGAINST OUR FATHER.
    IM JUST SHARING THE TRUE WORD AND ALL CAN MAKE THERE OWN CHOICE. IT ISNT ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT ITS ABOUT EVERY ONE HEARING THE TRUTH AND COMPARING IT TO GODS WORD AND PRAYING AND SEEKING CHRIST AND HIS WORDS UNCHANGED AND TRUE.
    WE WILL STILL ASCEND UP TO CHRIST FOR THE GATHERING AT THE 2ND COMING.
    IT IS A NORTH AMERICAN MILLENNIUM TEACHING FROM SOMEONE COMMITTING AN ABOMINATION AND NOT TEACHING BY THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAUSE THE FATHER IS WAY SMARTER THEN US AND HE DOES NOT LIE IT SAYS DONT MAKE HIM A LIAR AND HYPOCRITE WILL NOT SEE GOD AND GOD DOES NOT CHANGE HIS WORDS.
    IM NOT TRYING TO HURT ANYONE BUT IF THE HOLY GHOST GIVES ME INFO.
    I WILL SPEAK AGAINST FALSE TEACHING.
    AS HIS DISCIPLE MY VOW TO HIM IS MOST IMPORTANT TO ME AND I WILL SQUASH AND REBUKE evil, expose what is not GODS WORD ON HIS WILL AND TIMING.
    RAPTURE DEFINITION IS CARNAL AND SO AGAINST AND INAPPROPRIATE OF THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.
    GOD TELLS US FORNICATION IS A SIN OF DEATH, CARNAL THINKING IS DEATH.
    WHY WOULD HE RENAME THE SECOND COMING TO KILL EVERYONE BEFORE THE GATHERING. IT IS THE TEACHING FROM A SPIRIT OF AN ungodly SPIRIT NOT the HOLY SPIRIT.
    I DONT KNOW WHO DID IT AND I PRAY THEY LEARN GODS WORD IN KJV OLD. SO THE CAN TEST THE FRUITS YOU HAVE TO TEST THE FRUITS BEFORE THE SPIRITS. IM SORRY JUST NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED AND UNDERSTOOD AND BECAUSE SOMEONE ASK ME WHY I DONT BELIEVE IN IT.
    I DO BELIEVE IN THE SECOND COMING AND WANT ALL TO KNOW THE TRUTH IS ALL.
    MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A DISCIPLE IS TO PREACH THE WORD TRUE GOSPEL OF CHRIST AND HOLY SPIRIT TEACHING AND HOLY GHOST COMMANDS.
    GOD BLESS HOPE THIS HELPS.

    End of Quote.

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    So I suggest that your group of churches, and the Jws, are all the same, in that they develop jargon to verbally shorthand their beliefs.

    And in respect to use of the word 'rapture' has any group of North American users of the word been predicting failed hopes of an imminent 'rapture'?

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