Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

by Vanderhoven7 60 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Fisherman

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  If the WTBT$ wasn't guilty of complicity, then why were they trying to avoid discovery as regards the relationship between the Watch Tower of New York and the Watch Tower of Pennsylvania or the way the organization worked in prior years? What were they trying to hide? What were they afraid of revealing?

  Like saying someone is guilty of something when they invoke the Fifth and should therefore surrender their rights or when someone refuses a search inside their house or their car without a warrant if they have nothing to hide. That is your logic. Or when a leo not acting in her official capacity abuses family members, why isn’t the agency and the municipality liable?

  Also, in the Penkava case referenced above, the accused was a family member —if I am not mistaken. In that case, the Elders were convicted of not reporting ca when according to what I read on the internet they reported it to the wt lawyers, so to say they covered the abuse is a misrepresentation making it seem they kept it secret. They didn’t. They reported it to WT. Also, WT argues time and time again that sadly privileged communications are protected under Federal law inspite of State compulsory reporting mandates so WT argues they have legal reasons for not disclosing privileged communication. Not to be misrepresented by the term cover up which implies no legal basis and that wt has something to gain. Also when a penitent confesses privileged information to a minister is a minister covering up a crime or a sin if he doesn’t turn the person in? Even if the crime is required by law to be reported is he covering up the crime by not turning the person in if he has nothing to gain? Covering up describes hiding shameful conduct or wrongful conduct that affects the person doing the cover up like when police cover up police misconduct to protect the pd from liability. But how is wt benefiting by not turning in someone accused of abusing his own family like in the referenced Illinois case. Calling it a coverup is disingenuous seems to me.

  ( Personal feelings aside.)
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  EasyPrompt

  https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/26/judge-sentences-2-jehovahs-witnesses-elders-to-court-supervision-community-service-for-failing-to-report-sexual-assault/#

  
  

  https://www.shawlocal.com/northwest-herald/news/2022/03/26/jehovahs-witnesses-elders-sentenced-to-supervision-community-service-for-not-reporting-childs-sexual-abuse/

  
  

  
  
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  Beth Sarim

  Pretty sick!!😬
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  EasyPrompt

  @Fisherman, remember that Bible lesson about how King Solomon could tell who was the real mom?

  
  

  This is the same thing. These guys claim to be shepherds of Jehovah God. There are these wolves trying to eat the lambs. What would a real shepherd do versus what would a "hired man" do?

  
  

  These guys are not real shepherds. They are frauds. They are "hired men" - only in it for the money or the prominence. When it comes time to protect or comfort the sheep, they run away. They are frauds.

  
  

  A real mom is willing to make a personal sacrifice rather than see her baby hurt.

  
  

  A real shepherd is willing to lose money or lose face in order to protect the lambs.

  
  

  These guys at the WTBT$ are not shepherds. They are wolves and hired men. Jesus is going to "fire" them.

  
  

  Matthew 13:38-42

  
  

  ",,,the weeds are the sons of the wicked one, and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be."

  
  

  The WTBT$ is about to lose their prominence, their tax-exempt status, their entire business corporation structure. They are being completely exposed, from the foundation to the top. Jesus is the judge in this court case. He is the fine shepherd. He will take vengeance on the WTBT$ for the sake of his Father's sheep.

  
  

  "When the king sits on the throne to judge,

  He sifts out all evil with his eyes."
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  Fisherman

  remember that Bible lesson about how King Solomon could tell who was the real mom?

  The subject matter of the Court is law not the Bible.
  
  
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  EasyPrompt

  "The subject matter of the Court is law not the Bible."
  

  
  

  God's Law is the highest Law and God's Court is the highest Court.

  
  

  The WTBT$ have been unfaithful to God's Law and are liable before God's Court. God is Love, and the WTBT$ have misrepresented Him and hurt His beloved ones.

  
  

  Job 34:22-28

  
  

  "There is no darkness or deep shadow

  Where wrongdoers can conceal themselves.

  For God has not set an appointed time for any man

  To appear before him in judgment.

  He breaks the powerful without needing to investigate

  And sets up others in their place.

  For he knows what they are doing;

  He overthrows them during the night, and they are crushed.

  He strikes them for their wickedness,

  In a place where all can see,

  Because they have turned away from following him

  And have no regard for any of his ways;

  They cause the poor to cry out to him,

  So that he hears the outcry of the helpless."

  
  

  God has heard the outcries of those crushed by the WTBT$. He will overthrow the WTBT$ in a place where all can see because the WTBT$ has broken His Most Basic and Important Law, the Law of Love.
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  Fisherman

  God's Law is the highest Law and God's Court is the highest Court.

  Irrelevant in a Court of law and under this topic. You went off on a tangent. You deflect from the discussion here which is not a Biblical topic but only legal.
  
  
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  Phizzy

  I am pleased to see this result in Court............ Elders take note ! Always do the Morally Right thing, do not try to circumvent the Law, or YOU will pay !

  Even if the law where you are does not lay down Mandatory Reporting, it is your Moral Responsibility to report even a hint of Abuse, the Authorities are qualified to decide on the accuracy of rumours, qualified to protect and care for Victims, YOU are not !

  Your first concern should be protection of the vulnerable, not the Org.

  YOU are not the Police, or Qualified in Social and Mental care.
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  TonusOH

  Fisherman: Also when a penitent confesses privileged information to a minister is a minister covering up a crime or a sin if he doesn’t turn the person in?

  I would say that yes, they are, at least as regards the crime.
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  punkofnice

  My immediate go to would be the ARC.

  Not an accident repair centre but the Australian Royal Commission.