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If Jesus had to choose his earthly organisation NOW, who would win?
by stuckinarut2 32 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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stuckinarut2
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David_Jay
I think this is one of the weirdest of all the Witnesses' teachings.
1. There is destined to be one true religion.
2. The religion would be picked by the Messiah in the early 1900s.
3. The Messiah would do the picking from the afterlife in heaven.
The following problems occur:
1. The Messiah concept came from the Jewish religion.
2. The Jewish religion was not chosen to be the true religion by Jesus.
3. Therefore Jesus cannot be the Messiah, and in fact the Messiah concept must be false since it originated with a religion not chosen in 1919.
4. The Governing Body claims not to be inspired of God.
5. How does a group of men who are not inspired know who and when someone from the afterlife chooses a religion to be the right one?
So if Jesus HAD to chose an earthly organization now (or at any time), the next thing I would ask is: Why?
1. If this is a teaching of any particular religion prior to Jesus picking a religion as the right one, doesn't it make this requisite moot? It would already have to be the true religion to begin with to know about this requirement and future event.
2. If Jesus doesn't pick the religion that makes this requirement mandatory, then this isn't something Jesus would ever do in the first place. This means that if Jesus would not pick that religion thus indicating that any of the others or all of the others are the right one (but would somehow prove the first one true since it was the wrong religion that taught the correct requisite), this would mean the true religion would have made a false statement of prediction making it false to begin with.
3. So Jesus would have to pick the religious organization first and somehow mark it so people could see it was chosen by Jesus in 1919 (of whenever). So the religion would have to be the chosen one first before being the chosen one.
4. The organization could claim the gift of prophecy in this case, but this would make the point of Jesus' picking them unnecessary.
So if Jesus HAD to do this, and do it NOW, which organization would Jesus pick?
It would be the one that knew in advance that Jesus was going to pick it through an invisible process before it happened and then have proof of the invisible picking once it occurred.
The religion would somehow have to validate that Judaism was once correct and used by God to develop the Messiah concept in the first place, then present evidence that it had been rejected by God and was being replaced by this new group that was being chosen invisibly.
But if it was being chosen invisibly, having proof that it was chosen invisibly would invalidate that it was chosen invisibly. If you had visible proof of an invisible choosing, then the choosing was not invisible and therefore invalid.
So, in the end, the chosen true religion would have to provide invisible proof that it was invisibly chosen by Jesus (and that it was a true requisite that this was to happen when it did and how it did).
The answer: Jehovah's Witnesses. They're the only religion to have come up with such a stupid teaching that it must be them. They win!
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jwleaks
Seriously ... North Korea. It's identical to the Watchtower Society but with weapons.
Not so seriously ... Whatever Jesus chooses Jesus loses.
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David_Jay
Jwleaks,
Silly, North Korea IS the Watchtower Society. It's merely the North Korean branch.
You have to pick again.
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pale.emperor
I think it's fair to say that Jesus would be disfellowshipped from the org very quickly if he were on the earth now.
He shown love and understanding
He expressed forgiveness
He stood up to "those taking the lead" of his day
He had a beard
He associated with tax collectors, prostitutes and sinners
And he wore a dress
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stan livedeath
And he wore a dress
ha ha ha--brilliant.
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_Morpheus
False choice. The desert demi-god rejected the organization he was born into and didnt start another. An apostate named saul co-opted his teachings and made an organization but thats not his fault
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Saename
If there is a god who cares about people who actually want to do good, he'd choose the secular community. We at least want to do moral things even if there is no god. Religious people who interpret their holy books literally? They do things because they are told to do them. They're told to shun? They shun. They're told to hate? They hate. They're told to love? They love.
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berrygerry
I posted about the absolute pacifism of the Hutterites, which is a post-WWI doctrine WT boasts about. I never mentioned the Hutterites core doctrine of communal living, based on first-century Christianity. If Jesus were to choose the most sincere group in 1919, it would have been an Anabaptist group.
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ttdtt
The Atheist movement.
Since they are not the ones who are ever convicted of Mass Shootings - Strapping on Suicide Vests - Steeling billions for god "cuz he always needs money" - help people regardless of what fairytales, color of skin, or what country they live in...