JWs in Russia- "Pray for those in prison"

by NikL 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • NikL
    NikL

    Last night at the midweek meeting was a part titled "pray for those in Prison" or something like that.

    They showed a video all about the witnesses in Russia and the court battles they've been fighting of late and the hard time they have been having because of it all.

    The first thing that struck me, hey, why don't you a** holes in Brooklyn send these poor sods a few rubles to help them along?

    Nah! Prayer is what they need.

    Anyway, I hadn't really followed the story so I thought I would look it up this morning and see what was in the media about the story.

    On the NPR website they had a big write up about it back in May of last year...

    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/05/17/476898973/russias-jehovahs-witnesses-fight-extremist-label-possible-ban

    So it appears that the JWs are an extremist group!

    Of course the banter at the hall is how ridiculous that is etc.

    But look at how the Russians have defines extremist...

    The Russian Constitution guarantees basic human rights, including freedom of speech, expression, and association. At the same time, it prohibits public associations that are aimed at forcibly changing the fundamental principles of the constitutional system and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation; undermining its security; setting up armed units; and instigating social, racial, national, and religious strife.[1] Also, propaganda promoting social, racial, national, or religious enmity or the instigation of such enmity, as well as propaganda promoting social, racial, national, religious or linguistic supremacy,[2] are prohibited.

    https://www.loc.gov/law/help/fighting-extremism/russia.php

    So by Russian standards the JWs are indeed a "extremist group"

    As was quoted in the NPR story...

    "In their literature, there are some very harsh statements and very insulting statements about other faiths," says Alexander Dvorkin, a former Russian Orthodox priest who now teaches the history of religion and cult studies at St. Tikhon University in Moscow. "Of course, every religion has the right to criticize other faiths, but that should be done in a non-insulting manner, especially if you are talking about the faith of the majority."

    Pretty hard to deny that!

    At the end of the day I think it really comes down to money.

    If they don't have official recognition in Russia no property, no Kingdom Halls etc. I believe they could still practice their faith but that's not good enough.

    The thing I haven't figured out is why only one community of Jehovah's witnesses seem to be involved.

    Banned Materials and Organizations

    Materials added to the list are usually categorized as the following: racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic materials; materials of Jehovah’s Witnesses; materials of North Caucasus separatists and other radical Islamists; materials of the Church of Scientology; and materials of different Muslim groups, generally not related to officially recognized Islamic organizations.[57] In addition, thirty-four organizations appear on the list as banned or liquidated for extremist activities.[58] Most of the banned organizations are Russian patriotic and religious organizations propagating racist and xenophobic ideas, seven Muslim groups, and one religious community of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  • darkspilver
    darkspilver

    Check out the transcript of the recent JW Brodcasting: Russia Legal Update - January 2017



  • undercover
    undercover
    Last night at the midweek meeting was a part titled "pray for those in Prison" or something like that.
    They showed a video all about the witnesses in Russia and the court battles they've been fighting of late and the hard time they have been having because of it all.

    Screw all the other 'extremist' religions and sects. Just pray for your fellow Witnesses.

    It is troubling that Russia is clamping down on, not just JWs, but any religion/sect that doesn't meet their strict interpretation of what is acceptable worship. But it's also very telling how the WTS ignores the plights of others while encouraging JWs to 'pray for their brothers'. Two thoughts come to mind: 1) no one else's rights/freedoms matter but their own. 2) By advertising this in the KH meetings, it feeds the fears of the collective that they really are in the 'last days'. And that is by design, make no mistake.

  • NikL
    NikL

    darkspilver...I think that was the video they played last night.

  • darkspilver
    darkspilver

    darkspilver...I think that was the video they played last night.

    Shouldn't have been, unless your congregation went rogue?? Or they've had a BoE letter?

    Instead, it should have been: Retrial of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Taganrog—When Will the Injustice End?

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Last night at the midweek meeting was a part titled "pray for those in Prison" or something like that.

    JW`s need one titled like this:

    "Stop doing Stupid Shit the WBT$ tells you to do and you won`t end up in jail."

    .......

    Jeezuz H Christ on a Cracker..No!..

    JW`s In Prison...Is Great Internal Advertising!

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  • OrphanCrow
    OrphanCrow
    undercover: It is troubling that Russia is clamping down on, not just JWs, but any religion/sect that doesn't meet their strict interpretation of what is acceptable worship.

    Something that is critical about the Jehovah's Witnesses worship/practice that puts them in a unfavorable position in Russia is the JWs' religious practice of insisting on Jehovah Law as superior to the existing secular law.

    'Acceptable worship' in Russia does not mean that, for example, a Muslim sect can practice and attempt to establish Sharia law. A Muslim sect that tries to establish Sharia law will be banned and likewise, when the JWs insist on preaching that it is Jehovah law that must prevail upon all people, they can expect to be labelled "extremist" and banned as well.

    The JWs do not respect "earthly" government. And they are proud of it. They jump up and down and cheer for the destruction of government, so it can be replaced with Jehovah Law, at the very same time that they walk around and try to claim that they are "politically neutral".

    The JWs claim to be a religion but their purpose and practice is very political.

  • NikL
    NikL

    Sorry darkspilver.

    The transcript looked a lot like what I heard last night.

    I am CERTAIN this congregation didn't go rogue. LOL

    In honesty I wasn't paying real close attention to the part because i kept wondering if the society was sending financial aid to these poor folks in Russia.

  • TheFadingAlbatros
    TheFadingAlbatros

    Pray for those in prison, but do not forget to send us your money in cash or via electronic bank transfer, all your donations, your stocks and bonds, your wills and trust, and much more.... Because we love you so much. Your seven GB members.

  • darkspilver
    darkspilver

    No probs NikL - TBH the item has been some what overtaken by events vis-a-vis that new video that was uploaded to JW Broadcasting only this week

    In honesty I wasn't paying real close attention to the part because i kept wondering if the society was sending financial aid to these poor folks in Russia.

    Actually, they're probably not allowed to?

    Similiar to the situation in India where I believe only Indian Nationals can contribute, not outside / foreign entities

    BoE Letter November 29, 2013 - Re: JWIndiaGift.org

    https://jwindiagift.org/index.php

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