Do you recognize the Truth? Watchtower July, 2024

by Listener 16 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete
    But in the days when the book of Acts was written, had they already witnessed a century of false predictions?

    Yes. Well close to it. When Acts was written there was already a huge diversity of Christianities (a half dozen or so sects are cleverly referenced) and many of them evolved specifically due to the failure of the promised end. In fact, Acts was written in response to this. The focus had shifted from imminent judgement of the nations to forgiveness of sins and resurrection. The only brief mention of Jesus' return I can recall is the cryptically worded Acts 1:11 that lent to a multitude of interpretations.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange
    When Acts was written there was already a huge diversity of Christianities (a half dozen or so sects are cleverly referenced) and many of them evolved specifically due to the failure of the promised end.

    So now we know where WT gets it.
    2,000 years of pining away for the promised end.

    And I bet every one of them met their end before The End.

    And so it is today...............

  • blondie
    blondie

    When the "apostasy" presented itself in 1981 at Bethel, with private pre-study groups for meetings, the WTS had to change its "opinion" of what Acts 17:11 said, a 180 turn. Never again did they say it this way again.

    *** w81 2/15 p. 18 Do We Need Help to Understand the Bible? ***How shall we view the spiritual food provided by this “faithful and discreet slave”? Should it be viewed critically—‘Oh, well, it might be true but then again it might not be and so we have to scrutinize it very critically’? Some apparently have felt that way about it. To support their way of thinking they have quoted Acts 17:11, which says of newly interested persons at Beroea: “Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.” But does this mean that those Beroeans were looking for flaws in the message they were hearing, or that their attitude was one of doubting? Does this set a precedent for regarding critically the publications brought forth by the “faithful and discreet slave,” with a view to finding fault? Not at all!

  • Scully
    Scully

    Hi there, Listener:

    The second quality needed to discern truth stated in the article, is -

    HUMILITY
    Comments under this quality include
    Jehovah will help us put his thoughts, which he provides through his Word and his organization, ahead of our own.
    Being prideful could lead us to consider our personal opinions to be just as valid as Scriptural principles and direction from Jehovah’s organization.

    Funny how the GB stresses the quality of Humility™ which permits the GB to act in such a presumptuous, prideful and egotistical manner. Classic narcissism.

  • was a new boy
    was a new boy
    18. What do you learn from Marco and Sidse’s experience?

    answer - JW writers are cowards, next time get to the root of the issue, tell us WHY their adult daughters left!

    18 Consider the example of Marco and his wife, Sidse, whose two adult daughters left the truth. Marco says:

    “From the day your children are born, you love them so much. You would do anything to protect them from harm.

    So when they choose to leave Jehovah, it is heartbreaking.” He continues: “But Jehovah has been by our

    side. He has made sure that when I am weak, my wife is strong, and when she is weak, I am strong.” Sidse

    adds: “We would not have been able to endure if Jehovah had not provided us with the strength we needed. I

    was strugglingwith the feeling that it was my fault, so I told Jehovah how I felt. After a short time, a sister

    whom I hadn’t seen for many years came up to me, laid her hands on my shoulders, looked me in the eyes,

    and said: ‘Remember, Sidse, it is not your fault!’ With Jehovah’s help, I have managed to maintain my joy in

    serving him.”

    Was it the religion's fault?

  • Sea Breeze
    Sea Breeze

    Here's how Watchtower "truth" works:

    1. Today's truth

    2. Tomorrow's adjustments

    3. Yesterday's apostasy

    It may be easier to just remember the phrase, "three times stupid".

  • Journeyman
    Journeyman

    Blondie highlights the change of emphasis in the way the Org has used Acts 17:11 since the early 1980s.

    However, the fact is that the verse still indicates that the Beroeans were evaluating what they were told, in the context of what the Scriptures actually say.

    The 'explanation' quoted in the WT article from 1981 still doesn't wash. It's not really relevant whether you are reading 'critically' or with a desire to believe and trust. Even if you want to believe what you are told and you are intending to give the speaker "the benefit of the doubt", you should still be evaluating what you are told in light of what the scriptures actually say. For example, if a friend tells me something is a fact, I may really want to believe them, but if I check what they say in an encyclopaedia and it's wrong, it's still wrong.

    But that's not what the GB want. They want the reader to evaluate the scriptures in light of what they say - so that their explanation should come before, and be the filter through which, the reader interprets or understands the Bible. That's the exact opposite of what Acts says the Beroeans were doing when hearing Paul's words, and it commends them for doing so!

    I suspect that's why in recent years, even in the time since I became a JW, the WT use of this scripture has dwindled away because they've realised that it is awkward for them.

    When I was studying, and later when I first was teaching others, Acts 17:11 was a vital scripture. In the past 10 years or so, however, it feels like it's rarely used.

    To test this out, I had a look in the latest WT index on how often Acts 17:11 has been referred to since 1989. Here we see:

    Seven references from 1989-98, but only six more in the 20+ years since, with a big gap between 1998 and 2007, and hardly anything since 2011!

    The two most recent references to that verse (bt 137-138 and lff lesson 2) are self-contained around believing what the Bible itself says, not what someone else says in comparison. The 2011 WT reference also skims over the aspect of the Beroeans analysing what Paul said. You have to go right back to the March 2008 Awake reference to find Acts 17:11 used in the context of evaluating what someone else tells you to believe.

    Acts 17:11 has clearly become an embarrassment to the GB of today, as it contradicts their ramped up message that tells the R&F to accept whatever they say without question or hesitation.

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