JW's in war zone

by Gorb 26 Replies latest jw friends

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  waton

  I think this is incredibly cynical: having goaded Ukraine into war with Russia,

  sbf, I think if Russia invaded your country, it would be goaded into war too. really? remember September, 1939 Russia invaded Poland, at the start of WW2. That conquered land has still not been returned. (England should have declared war on all the invaders at the time, and we would not be in that threat to the planet today)

  During WWII here in England the women did not run overseas, they stayed and helped the country.

  SGoE: yeah, but the good ladies of England were not threatened with the kinds of atrocities that happened in eastern Europe and are still happening. (compare the 1940 fall France, Paris and 1945 Berlin.Dresden)

  Hitler too had given orders to summarily execute any woman POW soldiers of the Soviet forces. so I highly recommend any females to flee from eastern combat zones. that is why my twin Gorbachev, who lived through it, wanted peace at any price.
  
  
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  BettyHumpter

  "80 years ago that embattled region saw bible students, executed even for refusing to dig defensive anti tank trenches."
  

  
  Morons
  

  
  

  "if they persecute you in one place, flee to another" , like to the UK, which was exemplary in the second WW to respect conscientious objector's stand."
  
  Yeah, go squat in someone else's home and let them work and sacrifice while you wait in vain for Jehovah to magically fix things. Morons.
  
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  waton

  Yeah, go squat in someone else's home and let them work and sacrifice while you wait in vain for Jehovah to magically fix things.

  BH well, if the world would be filled with morons of your definition we would not have wars right?

  and the refugees streaming out of the Ukraine are fleeing from real massive imperilment. They are not like the illegals coming across the boarders, the seas, to shop for the best handout countries.
  
  
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  slimboyfat

  Waton the contours of a peace deal were well known (Ukrainian neutrality and autonomy for Russian zones) and western leaders talked Ukraine out of accepting a peace deal. Many in Ukraine wanted the peace deal. Indeed at various points Zelensky himself wanted the deal. The end result of this war is likely to be significantly worse than the peace deal they could have struck at the beginning. The only ones who win are weapons manufacturers.
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  Bartolomeo

  nobody talks about the russians persecuted by ukrainians since 2014 in the Donbass? nobody wants those refugees? only the Russians?
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  btlc

  Putin, like many other Russians of his generation, never got over the collapse of the USSR and his greatest ambition is to restore Europe to its post-World War II state, and that is what he has been working on for the past twenty years (with the abundant help of his poodles, such as Merkel, Trump, Orban, Vucic...). He reckoned that Ukraine would fall quickly. Then Moldova would follow, because of the renegade Pridnestrovian republic, then the Baltic states because of the connection with the Kaliningrad region, in the meantime, Hungary and Serbia would make an agreement with Putin in exchange for parts of Romania and Kosovo (and free gas), Republika Srpska would declare independence, which would be the start of a new war in Bosnia, etc, etc. In the end, Putin would restore Russian influence to half of Europe, as close as possible to the line Szczecin - Trieste. Only naive people can believe that Putin would stop at Ukraine if things were going the way he imagined. Europe defends itself in Ukraine. It's sad, but such is the fate of small nations. The big ones always balance their accounts through the small ones.

  On the other hand, this in no way absolve Ukraine from responsibility for the restoration of Nazism, nor Europe for not paying attention to it, to be clear.
  
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  waton

  Ukraine from responsibility for the restoration of Nazism

  bttc. Naziism, the new catchphrase, for tarring those who love their nationality.

  There are no greater nationalists than the Russians, imagining that there are admired by the fins, swedes, Lithuanians, Estonians, letts, ( no not the GB member) poles, bulgarians, rumanians, checks, balkan clans, east germans, georgians, ukrainians, and believe that it is their glorious (slavic) right & destiny to dominate them all.

  as close as possible to the line Szczecin - Trieste.

  btic: make that Hamburg Trieste, instead. Putin was stationed in Germany, and he wants all of that back, with no american sector in berlin. All germany belongs to him, as a conquered land.

  one continent from Gibraltar to vladi wostock. dont stop there, still at war with Japan.

  with peace loving people in prison.

  
  
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  waton

  the contours of a peace deal were well known

  sbf. sorry, me wrong. I thought the deal was that the ukraine would give up it nuclear strike force in return for international guarantees of their then borders, including crimea, with Russian speaking minorities guarantees full civil freedoms, or safe passage back to their home country.

  Invaders will have the neighbours unite to repel, see "neutral" finland & sweden seeing the light?

  neutral switzerland is a well armed country, no threat to italy, france, germany, austria or lichtenstein. ditto ukraine.

  in case of russia regaining its "colonies", odd christians like quakers and JWs in prison everywhere.
  
  
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  Lost in the fog

  I find it amusing that nowadays everyone says that Putin's references to de-Nazifying Ukraine are wrong, that Ukraine never held extreme right-wing views.

  Why do I find it amusing? Because in 2014 after Russia annexed part of Ukraine, foreign fighters flocked to Ukraine to fight against Russia.

  What were the political views of most of these fighting men? For the most part they were right-wing, neo-Nazi, white supremacists. And why were they going to Ukraine? Because the Ukrainian forces held similar beliefs.

  There were several articles from various countries at the time in 2014. Here's a link to one of them - - https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb95ma/far-right-extremists-have-been-using-ukraines-civil-war-as-a-training-ground-theyre-returning-home
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  waton

  everyone says: Putin's references to de-Nazifying Ukraine are wrong, that Ukraine never held extreme right-wing views.

  Litf. right. there are right wing warriors in all countries. Putin is very right wing himself. Ukraine is nazi? led by a jewish man whose family survived the holocaust? , An atrocity, that admittedly had many Ukrainian collaborators. Demaniuk et al. Einsatztruppen helpers.

  now ukraine is just trying to survive, stay alive. a fight it leads without jws help.

  not taking side here, these cross border wars have to stop for the women's sake.