Shunning: Reasoning With JW's

by The Fall Guy 30 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • The Fall Guy
    The Fall Guy

    Perhaps this line of questioning could agitate a JW's thinking. It can't hurt.

    YOU: Is shunning a Biblical teaching?

    JW: Yes.

    YOU: So it must be God's law?

    JW: Yes.

    YOU: If it's God's law, can it be disregarded by some JW's, but not others?

    JW: No, of course not, all Christians must obey God's laws.

    YOU: So God's laws don't depend on where a person lives?

    JW: Huh????????

    YOU: Well, according to your religion, if a JW who lives at home with their parents and siblings gets disfellowshipped, their family association continues as normal. But if that individual later moved into an apartment next door, they would be regarded as if they were dead. Can you show me in the Bible where this discriminatory "law of God" is laid out?

  • Canadian Sunshine
    Canadian Sunshine

    Shunning is not a biblical thing. I have never seen it anywhere in the Holy bible- hence why this is NOT common practice in Christian churches or Christian families. People can set boundaries with others if they are living a very unhealthy life style- there is talk about this in the bible but we are STILL TO LOVE them, help them. We are to love our enemies.. this is sooo true and so many reasons for it. JW believe in Jesus as the mediator and we go through him to get to heaven right? WELL, START READING the book of JOHN ( I suggest a holy bible ) as this speaks on who JESUS TRULY IS, and we are to follow him.
    Feed the hungry. Clothes the poor. Help the widows. Help the orphans. Not judge others for we will be judged ourselves BY GOD. THESE are the works GOD expects us to do down here on earth! NOT go door to door preaching a bible that is "man made" by people sitting in a watch tower..

    YOU see a man naked on the side of the road, clothe him, give him water. THIS is what it says in the bible.

  • EverApostate
    EverApostate

    Canadian Sunshine, Have you read the Bible Fully, especially the violence filled Old Testament.

    You say so much about "Holy" Bible and Love.

    Also, we can very well Justify shunning from the Bible. The Bible advises to slaughter the Unbelievers and Jesus himself says the same point figuratively. As well as Paul who says not to invite anyone into your home, who does not accept Christ.

  • fastJehu
    fastJehu
    The Fall Guy
    JW: No, of course not, all Christians must obey God's laws.
    YOU: So God's laws don't depend on where a person lives?


    YOU: So God's laws don't depend on the status of a person (elders or not)?

    The same - it's not in the bible.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Shunning or DFing was instituted by the head leaders of the WTS to control dissentious attitudes and to further establish controlling power over the WTS believing followers.

    The WTS Heads /GB created their own self empowerment sourced from the proclamation that god has chosen them exclusively (1919), which is bit ironic since the leaders of the WTS were and are commercialized false prophets.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    The Mormons shun, Jehovah's Witnesses shun as does Scientology (they call it disconnecting). The Amish and some Mennonite groups shun. Some ultra orthodox Jewish groups not only shun but hold a mock funeral.

    Only the most loving religions practice shunning........ it's the ultimate love bomb.....sorta.

  • poopie
    poopie

    Shunning is there anwer to ray Franz

  • jwundubbed
    jwundubbed

    The main reason that you cannot reason with a JW, which by the way is talked about a lot in this forum, is called Cognitive Dissonance. Reason doesn't work when there is a disconnect that interrupts reason and logic.

    The person could potentially cite the ideas of respect towards parents and parental obligations towards children. But even if they have no argument against your point, they will simply disconnect from the argument entirely and tell you that times have changed and God sends his laws to the GB now. It may be ignorant and lack logic and reason, but it is a circular argument that can't be argued against. They believe what they believe, and trying to argue with them won't change their minds.

    Even when I couldn't argue a person's point (and that was all the time when defending my JW beliefs) I could always simply refuse to argue and put up that my belief is what it is and can't be changed. Then, even though I couldn't stand up for my own beliefs I would feel threatened with people trying to tell me that my beliefs were wrong. And that would make me think of all the instances where the literature and the studies talk about how Satan and worldly people will try to break you down. It did the opposite of what you seem to be wanting to do. It made me dig in deeper.

    So, yeah, it could hurt. It might sew a seed of doubt or it might sew a seed of self-righteousness. I didn't leave because someone showed me the error of the beliefs. I left because I was shunned based on a rumor. I left because I personally saw inconsistencies in the way people behaved and the way they said they behaved. I left because the way people treated others was wrong. I left because I realized that no 'man' had the right to come between me and my relationship with God, and no man had the right to speak to me as though they were speaking for God, especially since they were getting it wrong.

    A lot of people leave or stay in because of a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with JW doctrine and beliefs.

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    THE FALL GUY:

    Shunning is used by the religion as a control mechanism and I am sorry for all the JWs (both current and ex) who have lost friends and family over this.

    When I was active in the religion I saw several instances of attempted shunning of me. The interesting part about shunning is that it requires an audience. The audience is YOU.

    I saw the games that some played because they had some issue about me. Instead of being courageous and coming up to me (like the Bible says) they played a game of let’s ignore this Sister and she’ll come crawling to us to ask “what’s the matter”. Well, I never did that. I just ignored them right back.

    In time, they gave up because their little act did not get the response they wanted. I didn’t have any family there that they could hold hostage, so there was no way they could get to me. This must have frustrated them to no end.. But, the gossip mill went into overdrive and I suppose I got a reputation of sorts. But, I just wanted to be left alone so that was okay with me.

  • StephaneLaliberte
    StephaneLaliberte
    YOU: Well, according to your religion, if a JW who lives at home with their parents and siblings gets disfellowshipped, their family association continues as normal. But if that individual later moved into an apartment next door, they would be regarded as if they were dead. Can you show me in the Bible where this discriminatory "law of God" is laid out?

    JW: You are not dispensed of family responsibility and disfellowshipped ones are not allowed to comment during the family study. So, its not the same thing. We don't make the rules, Jehovah does through various principles in the bible.



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