PIMO but to scared to talk about doubts

Indoubtbigtime

I am PIMO but too scared to talk about my doubts with anyone for fear of being shunned
I know many now have doubts that the vaccines are safe and effective this is as good as doubting the GB. You can it say anything in doubt about the vaccines because the GB still act like salesmen for big pharmaceuticals
I wonder how many have doubts about the GB teaching that only baptised JWs would survive the big A? Even then they still only say you may make it as with unbaptised kids of JDubs
i think most people physically in don’t agree with the GB on this and are hoping Jehovah would let other good people into the new world even if they are not baptised JWs
well if you think that then you are already PIMO to an extent
the brainwashing has has been so strong that if you doubt the GB then you may be shunned
you could say almost every single Jdub is starting to become PIMO but to scared to talk about doubts

punkofnice

I am PIMO but too scared to talk about my doubts with anyone for fear of being shunned

That's normal. You talk here though, so that's a good step.

the GB still act like salesmen for big pharmaceuticals

Maybe they are, but it's unknown until evidence is supplied. It'd be one way for TOMO to get his booze.

I wonder how many have doubts about the GB teaching....

I think you covered this on 2 threads already.

There's no telling who is mentally out but staying in and it's best not to ask the Jobots themselves.

Perhaps you could take the option to 'fade'?

Indoubtbigtime

What do mean until evidence is supplied?

there is plenty of evidence now that the vaccines are not safe or effective but in fact the opposite is true

there is also plenty of evidence that the GBody has acted like salesmen for big pharma. I’m not saying they are paid to push the shots I’m just saying there is a lot of evidence that they acted like salesmen, every single broadcast the last year of the pandemic was pushing the shots, this is evidence.

I don’t honk they were paid to push the shots but they were threatened with losing charitable tax free status

punkofnice

there is plenty of evidence now that the vaccines are not safe or effective but in fact the opposite is true

Not what I was referring to. I was referring to the GB getting a bung or bit of poppy from the Drug Corps.

there is also plenty of evidence that the GBody has acted like salesmen for big pharma

Perhaps. But I was making the point that there is no evidence that I have actually seen, to prove the GB are getting a tickle from Big Pharma. Like you say 'acted like'. That's a massive difference from 'actually did'. It's not 'evidence' as such. Just because we convince ourselves it's true don't mean sweet fanny Adams.

I don’t honk they were paid to push the shots but they were threatened with losing charitable tax free status

Honk?

I'm interested. Where is this threat to be found? Have the WT said so? If so where?

Beware of 'confirmation bias', mate. This is a Watchtower(tm) mind-set.

enoughisenough

I was never in the camp that only JW would survive the end. I always reasoned Jehovah knew the hearts of the people. I knew worldly people who were more decent, more honest, more kind than the ones I got to know best in the "truth"....I outwardly posted on my FB page against the jabs. Some weren't happy. A retired CO asked my friend to tell me to stop posting such items as I may be called into the back room. The response was my friend couldn't very well do that as they agreed with me. My friend was around other witnesses more than I was and was getting shamed for not taking the jabs. The GB pushing the jabs woke me up ...I reasoned there was no way Jehovah and Jesus were behind that poison. I can't find anywhere that indicated the org got paid to push the vile drugs. ( but they don't always operate under the same name ) I was listening to a broadcast yesterday where a woman was saying churches were paid by the gov to not open their doors-she didn't reference where she got that information-I wondered about that too, as the JW were some of the first to close and stay closed a long time. They were always pushing meeting attendance (Heb 10:24) but closed the Halls. ( a lot of independent churches carried on throughout. Did anyone really think Zoom satisfied what Heb 10:24 says?)

enoughisenough

indoubtbigtime,

Do a lot of research and make a notebook...Once I decided to disassociate, I just couldn't wait to write my letter and just get out. The thing I wish I had done was to take all my notes and organize them into a letter and send to every one in the congregation I could get an email address or post address for and send them the information . The research isn't that difficult now because of the internet and the youtube channels where people are reaching out to you to help you understand the harmful lies of the WT.

peacefulpete

People leave for many reasons; some are not terribly persuasive to me, but whatever it was, it broke a spell of blind loyalty and conformity. I used to say many people leave for the 'wrong reasons' because I worried that without a more comprehensive understanding, they would harbor feelings of guilt or isolation from society. Now I don't say that anymore, it occurred to me maybe the real reasons they left are not yet evident to the person leaving. Some last straw may be what has their attention but behind that lies a longer unspoken distrust formed through years of suppressed doubts. I still worry, hoping everyone takes care of their psychological health by asking tough questions and facing their demons head on.

waton

Play the game of posing in a practise session an objection to be refuted by your jw friend at the door in the h2h work. such as:

how would answer a householder that says

You people do not take the communion sacrifices with Christ, how will you escape damnation? or insert your favoured.

carla

It is my (non jw ) understanding that even a baptized jw does not have any guarantee of surviving the big A, they only have the 'hope' of surviving if they 'do' enough meaning fs hours, reaching out to become elder, pioneer, etc... even then they may not be 'worthy'.

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/salvation-only-for-jehovahs-witnesses.php

I know my jw thinks that somehow all of us (his entire family, children, spouse, parents, etc...) will make into the 'new system' due to his 'work' and maybe because deep down we are 'good' people but just can't abide by all the jw rules just yet, lol. I guess we may get to ride on his coattails?

Most of us look at his vision of paradise earth as 'hell'.

I find this fitting- “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.”
― Galileo Galilei, Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina

Indoubtbigtime

Can anyone not be fully vaccinated and tell others in the congregation they are not fully vaxed and still have privileges? Or could someone still be in good standing if they openly say they don’t want to have the vaccines because they don’t think they are safe? This is as good as saying that the GB are not inspired byGod.

if you speak out against the shots that you have doubts about getting your latest shot then you are doubting the GB

PIMO but to scared to talk about doubts

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