Dead Sea Scrolls FORGERIES at Bible museum (scandal)

by Terry 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • Terry
    Terry

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/museum-of-the-bible-dead-sea-scrolls-forgeries/ Independent researchers funded by the Museum of the Bible announced that all 16 of the museum’s Dead Sea Scroll fragments are modern forgeries. The Museum CEO exclaimed, “We’re victims—we’re victims of misrepresentation, we’re victims of fraud.” The pieces are probably made of ancient leather, they were inked in modern times and modified to resemble real Dead Sea Scrolls; all with the intention of deceiving for profit.

    The researcher's report’s findings raise grave questions about the “post-2002” Dead Sea Scroll fragments, a group of some 70 snippets of biblical text that entered the antiquities market in the 2000's. Even before the new report, some scholars believed that most to all of the post-2002 fragments were modern fakes. Question: how had the forgers managed to fool the world’s leading Dead Sea Scroll scholars? “It really was—and still is—an interesting kind of detective story,” says Jeffrey Kloha, the Museum of the Bible’s chief curatorial officer. “We really hope this is helpful to other institutions and researchers, because we think this provides a good foundation for looking at other pieces, even if it raises other questions.”

    The investigative team’s best guess is that the leather itself is ancient, recovered from scraps found in the Judean desert or elsewhere. One tantalizing possibility is that they come from ancient leather shoes or sandals. One of the fragments has a row of what look like artificially made holes, somewhat similar to those found in Roman-era shoes. The authentic Dead Sea Scrolls trace back to 1947, when Bedouin herders found clay jars in Palestine’s Qumran caves that held thousands of parchment scrolls more than 1,800 years old, including some of the oldest surviving copies of the Hebrew Bible. ________ Of additional interest: ___
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1988/10/09/the-forgeries-that-shook-the-mormon-church/9a30edad-a9b3-4381-b10e-ecfb11c9af42/
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  • neat blue dog
    neat blue dog

    So what happened to the originals then?

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    There are no real originals of the dead sea scrolls or pretty much any portion of the Bible. Even the oldest fragments are copies or even considered outright forgeries. Over time, these "Bible books" were often copied and modified to fit a particular narrative at the time with originals, sometimes even intentionally, destroyed. Like the Jews cannot prove they are Jewish because the original documents of lineage have long been gone, the Christians cannot prove they are original Christians because both the documents and their interpretative texts are either missing or conflicting.

    Even what we currently understand as the 'modern Bible' (a collection of Christian books, stories and prophecy, most of which were removed from canon and have gone missing after the Nicene convention) is largely organized around the 1600's King James Version, which is not necessarily chronological or ideologically organized in a single story, and even KJV has changed significantly since.

    The unerring word of god has changed meaning a ton over time.

  • neat blue dog
    neat blue dog

    So you didn't read the post then:

    It's saying that the originals were replaced with a forgery at some point, and they're not the same.

  • RubaDub
    RubaDub

    The people who forged them made a major mistake.

    They should have removed the "Made in China" sticker from the back of the scrolls.

    Rub a Dub

  • Terry
    Terry

    What has been forged is not the content but the historicity as an object d'art, so to speak.
    It's like thinking you own a Dali painting - yet discovering what you possess is forged by another artist.
    The forger has duplicated an actual existing Dali - but - replacing the original by faking the verisimilitude with chicanery and applesauce.

    The word I'm looking for is ACTUALITY or authenticity.
    A copy can appear identical. A diamond and a cubic zirconium is a case in point.
    This is where SUBJECTIVITY enters the picture.

    What is "real" is not the same as what is REAL.

    Chew that one.

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  • dropoffyourkeylee
    dropoffyourkeylee

    I read it to say that there were no ‘originals’ that were switched, but that the museum purchased the fabricated scrolls on the open market of unprovenanced artifacts. It is a story going back to about 2012.

  • silentbuddha
    silentbuddha

    It's like saying your original copy of Alice and wonderland was actually a 3rd addition. Cheer up, instead of having the original copy of a fairy tale... you just have a later copy of it.

  • RubaDub
    RubaDub

    What has been forged is not the content but the historicity as an object d'art, so to speak.
    It's like thinking you own a Dali painting - yet discovering what you possess is forged by another artist.

    Terry ...

    I agree.

    But that "China" or "Made in China" sticker on the back of the scrolls raises some serious concerns regarding authenticity. Personally, if you peel the sticker off it may add more credibility to the underlying document.

    Rub a Dub

  • eyeuse2badub
    eyeuse2badub

    The whole bible is a fraudgery...........IMHO!

    just saying!

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