I loathe hypothetical questions on this forum. But I got the honest impression that they are so delusional they can bring on Armageddon with all their talk and Jehovah will have no choice but to act. ( not that I believe in Armageddon anymore). They know the writing is on the wall and their time will be up within a decade. So they need Jehovah to bail them out.
With the ramped up talk are the governing body trying to coerce Jehovah to bring on Armageddon?
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sir82
It didn't work in the 60's ("how appropriate it would be for Jehovah to bring Armageddon by 1975")...why would they think it would work now?
Oh yeah, they're delusional morons.
Never mind, answered my own question.
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DesirousOfChange
I have wondered that very thing every time that the message seems to take a radical turn of more hardline rhetoric. Do they think they can provoke the Gov'ts to attack them to "force" Armageddon?
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_Morpheus
Ive never seen anything to indicate that they think they can force their god to something, in fact they preach patience at every turn and waiting in him and everything in his time blah blah blah....
However they may well be drinking their own cool aide and really feeling a sense of urgency and acting accordingly. Ive long said some of them are true believers and in that context it makes sense that they would feel a sense of needing to act as if the end is near
in short i would say you have cause and effect reversed.
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compound complex
"The seeming delay on God's part in answering some prayers is not due to any inability nor to a lack of willingness. . . . In some cases the answer must await God's timetable. Primarily, however, it is evident that God allows his petitioners to demonstrate the depth of their concern, the intensity of their desire, the genuineness of their motive. . . . Similarly, while Jehovah God cannot be pressured by numbers into acting, he evidently takes note of the extent of concern shown by his servants as a body, taking action when they collectively show deep concern and united interest. Where apathy, or a measure thereof exists, God may withhold action."
Aid to Bible Understanding, PRAYER, THE ANSWERING OF PRAYERS, page 1331
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neat blue dog
nowwhat?
I get what you're saying. The GB definitely have a lot of con artist in them, and they at least subconsciously know it's all false, otherwise they wouldn't suppress information, worry about legalities, and scheme for the future. Still, at times there are decisions they make or words they say that just make you wonder how delusional they are, and to what extent certain ones of them believe.
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Vidiot
They know it's wrong...
...but believe it's true...
...at the same time.
That being said, it wouldn't surprised me if - feeling the increasing pinch - they're subconsciously trying to provoke "Satan's World" into attacking, hoping to jumpstart things, if only so save face (or hoping that God would bail them out).
Except...
...isn't "Babylon the Great" supposed to be attacked first?...
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sir82
They know it's wrong...
...but believe it's true...
...at the same time.
It's called "compartmentalizing".
That info is "stored" in different parts of the mind. Only one is active at any particular time.
When addressing a throng of 2000, 5000, or 80,000 true believers who hang on every word, the "Armageddon's a -comin' " part switches on.
When sitting in a conference room with a team of attorneys or accountants, working out the long-term survival of the organization, the other part switches on.
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steve2
they are so delusional they can bring on Armageddon with all their talk and Jehovah will have no choice but to act
In what way exactly? Are delusional expectations so persuasive that they can make deluded scenarios happen? How? Who acts on them? Who among JWs has the power to do so?
This statements has to voted craziest, most off-the-wall statement on this forum for the first four months of this year. Calling it hypothetical or saying you don't believe in Armaggedon anyone does not improve the statement's stature.
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jookbeard
perhaps if we all pray hard to jeehovah he might bring it on next week, lets get a couple of things straight Nowwhat, there is no Big A, there is no jeehovah looking down on us from the sky, there are no demons/angels and we will all die one way or another in the coming decades, live your life and enjoy it and stop worrying about such stupidity.