What I don't understand is what if there is some suicidal JW reading this stuff and they think "It's true I don't deserve forgiveness, I should kill myself. I've sinned for many years and never approached the Elders about it." They don't worry about those kind of people at all?
What We Truly Deserve Is...Death, Really WT?
by JW_Rogue 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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JW_Rogue
Yes, the very notion that ancestors thousands of years back are responsible for me now, just flys in the face of logic.
WHY should I be punished or judged for something I did not do?The bible is very unclear on whether Jehovah punishes future generations for past sins. In the old testament it is clear that he does punish future generations then it morphs into allowing the consequences of sin to take place. Then in the new testament Jesus says that future generations aren't punished by God. However, if we are to believe the creation account Jehovah has been punishing every generation for one sin since the beginning.
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Finkelstein
What I don't understand is what if there is some suicidal JW reading this stuff and they think "It's true I don't deserve forgiveness, I should kill myself.
JW_Rogue , that's the very reason why many JWS have committed suicide.
The pressing anxiousness created by the WTS in the 1970's and Armageddon coming in 1975, exacerbated the problem.
I knew of three instances of JWS killing themselves growing up a JWS, how many have since from when I left some 30 years ago is undetermined.
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Vidiot
Finkelstein - "...that's the very reason why many JWs have committed suicide..."
Not just JWs.
Suicidal members of other fundy denominations, too.
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Darkknight757
I not so fondly remember older brothers and sisters making such statements during the meetings. What did we personally do to "deserve" death? Did we kill someone? No! Did we rob a bank? No! Did we steal from an old ladies purse? No!
I can never understand someone feeling such contempt for their lives. Life is precious. These people hate living.
I made this observation in the past but it's worth mentioning again: I know a couple who have a beautiful home by the lake. They are both very successful and are die-hard JW's. I stopped by on a beutiful sunny day to check out a garage sale they were having. I asked the wife how she was doing? She said, "Just trying to make it another day......" Its like really?!! Life is that bad???!!!
Anyways they also feel they deserve death and that's too bad. What a waste of a good life.🙄
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compound complex
I have no references to back it up, but I recall (from years of reading materials proscribed by the WT) that ancient religions (goddess-based, Druidism, etc.) had no concept of "original sin." There was no need for a redeemer.
Of course, long before Christianity were religions whose "leader'" was a so-called messiah.
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Finkelstein
So all of mankind deserves death because of one woman and man eating a piece of fruit they were told not to.
That seems completely fair, loving and just.
.... and one wonders why JWS are so psychologically fucked up.
The imposition of fear is used extensively in religious cults to establish power and control over people, for better or worse .
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Vidiot
Finkelstein - "So all of mankind deserves death because of one woman and man eating a piece of fruit they were told not to..."
"...by a talking snake..." (you forgot that bit
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Brokeback Watchtower
This explains very well at least that is how the Watchtower Corporation also views every baptized member of their exclusive club, a bunch of nobodies who deserve death. So what a few thousand dead from not getting a blood transfusion, or refusing to say Hiel Hitler! They as good as dead anyway or at least they deserve it, is the WT viewpoint and they died for a very good cause Listen Obey yadda yadda yadda.
Also the Watchtower Corporation has Jehovah's viewpoint of collateral damaged when it's time to kill your enemies. So a few thousands or million people worshippers get wacked by bad shots with lightening or hail stones over a hundred pounds falling out of the sky. The True God is used to it just remember the flood and all the babies, and animals died because God was pissed and didn't want to waste his power protecting the innocent.
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