Polytheism - Jehovah has same status as other gods

by Sirona 117 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Clash,

    As you complained to Simon regarding my moderating powers, I thought that I would state as a matter of public record that I have never moderated any of your posts, even those that personally insulted me and further, accused me of lying.

    I now note below, some of the personal insults, contrary to the rules of this Board, that you have thrown at people just on this thread ( your past ones can be researched if anyone so wishes, so that your general posting style can be assessed ) and I also note that you seem to have since edited out a number of foul comments, such as the one to Abbadon suggesting that all he reads is pornography, before writing to Simon to complain about my moderator status. I will leave the reader to assess your motives for doing so.

    Sirona, Why should you care about polythiesm? Or any discorse on the objective truth or reallity of any of theism. To you your god is like Mr. Potato Head a silly little god you get out of a toy box which you fasion after your likes. Or to put it another way your god is like a McDonalds Big Mac made to order just the way you want (hold the onions, extra mayo)
    seedy3 just making up some ol god out of thin air like some drunken college frat boy trying to mix long island ice teas in the midst of an inebriated haze posts:
    Funky, As usual my lazy wanna be intellectual friend you have absolutly no clue on what presuppositionalism is you have never read

    Come back Funky and respond when you finally figure out what you really are. You are eather an athiest or the pizza god. Funky your either nieve or dishonest.

    You guys are legalists and moralists just like the WT

    seedy3 who is about as sorry of an exigete as Fred Frans posts:

    If you think that being ecclectic is the way to go in constructing philosophy my advise abaddon is to put the crack pipe down and sort of come down to earth.

    Finally here is a book that you can profit from since you are so clueless on this skill.

    It is true that contrary to Board rules I did describe you as an idiot in an earlier post, as such, I wish to publicly apologize to idiots everywhere for including yourself among their sort, you plainly are not an idiot.

    Best regards - HS

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Clash; based on your non-response, I think we can take it as read you have no defence for your use of logical fallacies, are stupid enough to think that a non-falsifiable theory is by default true as it cannot be proved wrong, and are incapable of seeing the way you contradict yourself and compromise your supposed Christianity by your behaviour.

  • Reborn2002
    Reborn2002

    I agree Abaddon.

    When people take the time to point out clash's hypocrisy, the religious fundamentalist vanishes into the wind.

    Or perhaps it went to church and is spending all day praying and trying to convert others to it's cause?

    Zealous, fanatical fundamentalists always amuse me.

  • clash_city_rockers
    clash_city_rockers

    Hillary_Step posts:

    It is true that contrary to Board rules I did describe you as an idiot in an earlier post, as such, I wish to publicly apologize to idiots everywhere for including yourself among their sort, you plainly are not an idiot.

    Your apology noted, friends even though we can agree to disagree

    BTW: hillary I responded to some of your prog rock posts in the whats your favorite music thread

    Abaddon,

    I will have to exercise discretion in my dealings with you at this point until you can communicate in a more aristocratic manor and listen to what I am saying with out the misguided use of ad homs, which at times I sometimes commit. It would be wise for me to limit my response to you until you have changed your ways. I do not want to be tempted to respond back in a belligerent manor back to you in the mists of heated polemical discourse. It is not because of being afraid or overwhelmed by the sophistication of you arguments against the reformed Christian faith, because that so far from being the case. In fact I, at times print your attacks of the Christian faith and bring them to the 7 th -8 th grade Sunday school apologetics class which I teach at church and watch the well trained Van Tillians just absolutely destroy your arguments. In fact these kids go yard (a baseball term for knocking some lollypop pitch 450 feet over the wall for a homerun, like Barry Bonds or Sammy Sosa) on your arguments against the faith. But these kids at 7 th and 8 th grade have already been trained in logic, rhetoric, Latin and Greek and are reading books like Federalist Papers by John Jay, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, The Annals of Rome by Tacitus, Plato’s Republic, Amusing Ourselves to Death and Technopoly by Neil Postman, To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee, Calvin’s Institutes, Berkhof’s Systematic Theology, The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin (to critique one must not be afraid to read original sources), Darwin’s Black Box by Michael Behe, The Great Gatspy by F. Scott Fitzgerald, God on the Dock by C.S. Lewis this is just a small sample. These kids, and I am so proud of them at the 7 th and 8 th grade are finishing up advanced algebra moving into trigonometry and basic forms of derivatives moving to pre calculus and these kids have exceptional godly character. That is the Glory of Calvinist home schooling, which no atheist public school can ever match the caliber of. The kids of JW home schooling only read the Watchtower and Awake and have just finished up Dr. Suess’ Cat in the Hat and Green Eggs and Ham at the time of their high school graduation exam. One of my apologetic students will be graduating high school at age 16 and will be going to the Navel Academy in Annapolis, MD. Back to you, abaddon I could easily challenge you on the authenticity of your claim of being a logic and rhetoric master, but I will not for the sake of irenicism and peace. I can only follow the advise of Godly wisdom found in Proverbs 26:4,5

    peacefully yours,

    jr

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    Yet all of this is with in the Providence of the one and true living and holy God found in the bible. You know this too but sadly suppresses this knowledge in unrighteousness. This is what leads to the misery of skepticism that you are now in.

    I cannot argue with someone who not only ignores the evidence but revels in his rejection of it and continues to blindly insist that he is right, and that I secretly know it but am too immoral to admit it.

    Whether that represents a deficiency on my part or not, I'll leave to the reader, but my part in this discussion is over.

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Donkey

    What do you mean? Those who believe in a God are all "nutters"?

    Sirona

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Ken P,

    Do creatures have to have enough imagination to make a god for themselves or do gods just exist for all animate creatures?

    Good question. I think that "The Divine" exists whether we have an imagination or not. Gods are not a product of imagination, just our PERCEPTION of gods is.

    Sirona

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Clash;

    I will have to exercise discretion in my dealings with you at this point until you can communicate in a more aristocratic manor ...

    Oh, Clash, you're replacing Thi-Chi as the most amusing poster; an aristocratic manor is normally a very large old house in the country, an aristocratic manner (which you meant) is conducting oneself as a gentleman. You can kid yourself that anyone is fooled by you trying to take some moral highground here; you kid yourself about so many things, one more act of self deception isn't going to make any difference.

    ... and listen to what I am saying with out the misguided use of ad homs, which at times I sometimes commit.

    By the same logic I shouldn't listen to what you say because of your use of ad homs, which at times I commit ("at times I sometime" is a tautology). I suppose yours are not misguided?

    It would be wise for me to limit my response to you until you have changed your ways. I do not want to be tempted to respond back in a belligerent manor back to you in the mists of heated polemical discourse. It is not because of being afraid or overwhelmed by the sophistication of you arguments against the reformed Christian faith, because that so far from being the case. In fact I, at times print your attacks of the Christian faith and bring them to the 7 th -8 th grade Sunday school apologetics class which I teach at church and watch the well trained Van Tillians just absolutely destroy your arguments. In fact these kids go yard (a baseball term for knocking some lollypop pitch 450 feet over the wall for a homerun, like Barry Bonds or Sammy Sosa) on your arguments against the faith. But these kids at 7 th and 8 th grade have already been trained in logic, rhetoric, Latin and Greek and are reading books like Federalist Papers by John Jay, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, The Annals of Rome by Tacitus, Plato’s Republic, Amusing Ourselves to Death and Technopoly by Neil Postman, To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee, Calvin’s Institutes, Berkhof’s Systematic Theology, The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin (to critique one must not be afraid to read original sources), Darwin’s Black Box by Michael Behe, The Great Gatspy by F. Scott Fitzgerald, God on the Dock by C.S. Lewis this is just a small sample. These kids, and I am so proud of them at the 7 th and 8 th grade are finishing up advanced algebra moving into trigonometry and basic forms of derivatives moving to pre calculus and these kids have exceptional godly character. That is the Glory of Calvinist home schooling, which no atheist public school can ever match the caliber of.

    Val Til's argument is non-falsifiable, so how can it "absolutely destroy" my arguments, when it is just an opinion set up so that doesn't allow itself to be challenged? Again, you're so blind to reason you believe in Van Til, and Van Til's argument is only valid if you accept on faith he is right. Thus you're nothing more than a worshipper of a man-made philosophy.

    Of course, here you're really exposing yourself here, as someone who will either lie to try to antagonise people and prove their point, and as someone who will brainwash children with religious rhetoric of the most base and ignorant form. Most children who are home schooled by religious bigots suffer from a selective curriculum, one that will not allow the belief structure of the school to be challanged (setting the Origin of the Species as a text is classic intellectual dishonesty; why not set more modern books about evolution, afraid of the truth?). It would be surprising if the claims you make for the students are genuine; your capacity for self-deception is pathological, and you're probably making these claims to 'prove you're right' by the results you get. Yes Clash, but you're probably lying; got any independant evaluations of the curriculum? Any way of proving your claims?

    Do your claims in anyway, even if 100% true with regard to "advanced algebra moving into trigonometry and basic forms of derivatives moving to pre calculus", prove your presuppositionalistic philosophy? No. All you can do is say that 'kid's can defend it', when in the course of several posts you have shown yourself incapable of defending it. Hide behind (possibly) imaginary children or actually defend your argument, you intellectually dishonest supposed brain-washer of innocents.

  • Jeremiah
    Jeremiah

    Greetings all.

    I am new to this discussion board and thread. The original question was "Does Jehovah have the same status as other gods?". The only way to answer that is to define your basis for making decision. Do you believe that the Bible is "God breathed", or inspired word of God? What is the purpose of your existence on planet Earth? Where did humanity come from? The are many other questions that could be asked, but you get the point. By strictly using the bible, there are no other true gods, beside Yahweh. He is the only true God. Can the Bible be trusted? Yes. What sets the Bible apart from all other religion's books is the accuracy of predicting future events. No other book, Koran, etc. can match it. Why? Because only God knows what the future holds.

    I would also submit that in the deepest recesses of our selves, we know God exists. That knowledge surfaces during times of severe trials, when the deceptions of the corporal give way to the truth of the temporal. Ever heard the phrase, "There are no athiests in a foxhole"? When we face death and come to the realization of weak we are and the need for God, then we are in touch with our true spiritual selves. The whole reason we are on this earth is to have fellowship with God. We are created in his spiritual image. That is our eternal part and the part that will spend eternity either with Him in Heaven or in punishment in Hell.

    Just something to think about......

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Welcome to the forum, Jerimiah, but....

    Can the Bible be trusted? Yes. What sets the Bible apart from all other religion's books is the accuracy of predicting future events.

    .....go sell crazy somewhere else.

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