2017 Memorial Partakers

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  • David_Jay
    David_Jay

    From my experience back during the 1970s to 1990, the largest number and any increase of anointed has always been in and come from the United States.

    The largest number of the "remnant" was associated with Russell in the U.S. in the 1800s. The same was true during the time of Rutherford. From what I remember from reports and discussions with anointed elders during my time, America was still where "Jehovah" had the largest number of anointed.

    My educated guess is that the increase today is no different. The idea that recent "third world country converts" are responsible for the increase is unfounded, without backup data, and likely based on cultural and perhaps even racial prejudice that the Watchtower takes advantage of.

    There is more a feeling of entitlement in the American culture than in other parts of Western society, not to mention other parts of the world. This would account for increasing to remain popular and steady in the U.S. Since there is no new specific data to go on at present and all we have is the past data to rely on, there is no reason to assume that the American trend has somehow suddenly or will ever change, especially since the culture definitely has not.

    While this is just my hypothetical take, I would bet good money that the increase in Memorial Partakers is still in the U.S., and perhaps even among younger white men in positions of privilege of whom the current members of the Governing Body might even find threatening. This would account for the reason of stating these "new" partakers may have "mental issues," for they will surely outlive them and be forced to revise, correct, and even dismiss the current Governing Body's doctrines as foolishness. To avoid others from listening to any of them now, the Governing Body is painting these younger men today as deranged. That is what I would say is really happening.

  • wifibandit
    wifibandit

    Sheet: Memorial Partakers

    Once the official numbers are out (January?) I will update the sheet and produce new charts like these: https://imgur.com/a/DW5sQ

  • freddo
    freddo

    You are a star wifibandit! Thank you very much for all you do and to all your sources.

    Mind you I wonder if the figure will be published this year? No more yearbook gives "them" more opportunity to hide unpalatable numbers.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    From what I remember from reports and discussions with anointed elders during my time, America was still where "Jehovah" had the largest number of anointed.

    My recollection is that the greatest number of anointed remnant were in pre-war Germany in the 30s. Thus Hitler was used as a Satanic attack on Christ's brothers. Don't have the time (or interest) to go back and find the reference now.

    Just my 2¢

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    My recollection is that the greatest number of anointed remnant were in pre-war Germany in the 30s. Thus Hitler was used as a Satanic attack on Christ's brothers. Don't have the time (or interest) to go back and find the reference now.

    Just my 2¢

    That wouldn't surprise me, but Germans in General seem to be particularly attracted to this religion....I guess it's the control/authoritarian issue.

    David_Jay mentions the amount of American "anointed" and the American sense of entitlement; that blaming 3rd world converts for increases in anointed is a convenient red herring. That very well may be, although to be fair it is an American religion so there's that.

    Despite a perceived elitism Americans suffer from an inverse sort of "racism", for want of a better word. What I mean is, we all chortle at the Mormons: at the PREPOSTEROUS idea that America should be God's chosen country. I think there's a similar bias when it comes to the absurdity that a majority of anointed are American....I mean really, a 200 year old country ??!

    But why ever not?? I mean why isn't it any more ridiculous that all our prophets come from Isreal? Why isn't it just as silly as Moses being Egyptian?

    Why do we talk about "real" anointed ( read old) and "fake" anointed (read young). I mean apart from the fact most of these "old faithful" ones where anointed when young anyways. Why don't we laugh off our chair that Moses was an old Isrealite/Egyptian any more than a young American, like Joseph Smith?

    An old guy can have had a very comfortable life thankyouverymuch, and be called "faithful". Equally a young person may have been immensely tested in their short life....yet not considered "faithfull" enough to be anointed and taken seriously.

    What I'm trying to say is old, young, from Ur, Isreal or America...either consider it all as likely or consider all as unlikely.

  • Diogenesister
    Diogenesister
    While this is just my hypothetical take, I would bet good money that the increase in Memorial Partakers is still in the U.S., and perhaps even among younger white men in positions of privilege of whom the current members of the Governing Body might even find threatening. This would account for the reason of stating these "new" partakers may have "mental issues,"

    Very likely

    for they will surely outlive them and be forced to revise, correct, and even dismiss the current Governing Body's doctrines

    Certainly, inevitably.

    as foolishness. To avoid others from listening to any of them now, the Governing Body is painting these younger men today as deranged. That is what I would say is really happening.

    Dismiss as "foolishness" No way! For that would involve admitting the GB st some point were wrong and that they will never do!

  • a watcher
    a watcher

    I had a new partaker in my congregation this year and she is an older widow.

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