Cort24: :L You seem to want to ignore that the 6-1-2003 WT is talking about Gog of Magog] from the Bible book of Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy. See paragraph 2 and 12 below. You and other are trying to take two different prophecies and say there is new light. The 6-1-2003 WT is not talking about tRevelation prophecy, but is talking about Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy. You may think you know more about this then JW do, but I can tell the only way you are going to get new light is by ignore this facts list below.
First Fact is in the 6-1-2003 8 times mention Gog of Magog.
Second fact is in paragraph 2 and 12 below the 6-1-2003 WT tell us what prophecy 6-1-2003 WT is talking about, and that is Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy not Revelation.
The 6-1-2003 WT does not say UN is no longer the Beast of Revelation or scarlet-colored wild beast. Show we where is said that?
The 6-1-2003 WT Paragraph 11: Gog of Magog is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased condition since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but will use human agencies to do his deeds. Who will these human agencies be? The Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be. As world events unfold in fulfilment of Bible propecies, we gradually get an ever clearer picture[/u]. Jehovah's people avoid speculation but remain spiritually alert, fully aware of political and religious developments that fit into the framework of Bible prophecy.
First it seem to me that they are ignore the words “Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be]”.
This help me to see, that the WT is not going into a detail discussion on the identify or the indications of this instrument in the Bible at this time. The words Bible “does give us certain” show that they are aware what the Bible has to say on this matter.
As for the words “As world events unfold in fulfilment of Bible propecies, we gradually get an ever clearer picture]”. All this statement is showing that we will in the future definitely know the whole picture.
The next statement show me that nothing has change on this matter “Jehovah's people avoid speculation but remain spiritually alert, fully aware of political and religious developments that fit into the framework of Bible prophecy. We are still fully aware what Bible prophecy has to say on this matter, we just do not know how it will fully be accomplish in the future. This is because prophecy is best understood after it is fulfill. .
Notice that the above statement is in reference to the "King of the North" and it's identification...
The identity of the scarlet colored Wild Beast is the League of Nations followed by the UN ...
In June 1st 2003 WT there is absolutely NO mention of the UN in that article. The focus of the article is "Gog of the Land of Magog".....and has no reference to the UN.
See what you are trying to do is take Gog of Magog from book of Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy which deal with the King of the North and try to say this is the same subject as the Beast of Revelation or scarlet-colored wild beast that deal with the UN.
Throughout the article it show who it is dealing with as follow:
Paragraph 2 mention God three times in 6-1-2003 WT: It is the attack by "Gog of the land of Magog," about which the Bible speaks in Ezekiel chapter 38. Is it an exaggeration to say that this attack is of greater consequence than is the threat of international terrorism? Not at all, because Gog's attack goes beyond an assault on human governments. It strikes out against the heavenly government of God! However, unlike humans, who may have only limited success in coping with assaults on their system, the Creator is fully capable of dealing [b]with Gog's more vicious attack[/b].
Paragraph 3 in 6-1-2003 WT - Resistance to Kingdom rule will clearly reach its climax [b]during the attack by Gog of Magog[/]b.
Paragraph 7 in 6-1-2003 WT: Of course, those who actively support the anointed remnant will likewise [b]feel Gog's fury[/b]
Paragraph 8 in 6-1-2003 WT: [b]Gog's attack[/b] will cause God's enthroned King to take action and wage the war of Armageddon
Subheading heading in 6-1-2003 WT - Who Will Lead [b]Gog's Attack[/b]?
Paragraph 11 in 6-1-2003 WT - 11: [b]Gog of Magog[/b] is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased condition since 1914.
The 6-1-2003 WT Paragraph 12: The [b]prophet Daniel sheds light[/b] upon a final attack against God's people.
To different subject and the 6-1-2003 WT is dealing with Gog of Magog from book of Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy, which deal with the King of the North. :P
6-1-2003 is NOT NEW Light on UN
by cort24r 21 Replies latest jw friends
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cort24r
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GermanXJW
A final attack on God's people is a final attack whether it is described in Ezechiel or Revelation or whereever.
Or do they say now: When we look at Ezechiel we don't know who will make this final attack, but when we look at Revelation we know it is the UN? -
cort24r
Not really, we know that the King of the North will be used in the attack of God’s people. That still not changes that the UN will be used, we are no long sure who the King of the North, who also hate God’s people. So King of the North does not change what Revelation said about the UN. The 6-1-2003 WT is not a change or new light about the UN. The 6-1-2003 WT is only dealing with Gog of Magog in the books of Ezekiel and Daniel prophecy. You can not say just because the WT is talking about a different prophecy and say that this also include another prophecy. I call that spinning what someone is talking and adding your own meaning. Which all have right to do but that does not make it true.
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hillary_step
I call that spinning what someone is talking and adding your own meaning. Which all have right to do but that does not make it true.
I call that shooting yourself in the foot.
HS
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hurt
[quote]As for the words “As world events unfold in fulfilment of Bible propecies, we gradually get an ever clearer picture]”. All this statement is showing that we will in the future definitely know the whole picture.[\quote]
So why don't the Watchtower shut up and let the future unfold on its own? Why say so much about the future, force people to structure their futures on that forecast, say the "interpretations belong to God" and add the caveat that you would get a clearer picture as the future unfolds? Watchtower has been a blind guide, and even you know what Jesus said would happen to blind guides and those they guide.
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coffee_black
The concept of "new light" is not a Biblical one. The WT borrowed the term from other groups, such as the Adventists. The only scripture you will ever see the WT use to support this concept is Proverbs 4:18. Read it in context, and you will see that it has nothing to do with changing teachings. It has to do with a father teaching his son how to live his life. Righteousness=enlightenment, Wickedness=darkness.
The WT has used this misapplied scripture to excuse every false prophecy and dumb idea they have ever come up with. Whatever change they make, JWs will just say, "Oh, we have new light now", and that is supposed to take away any accountability for error. The excuse doesn't hold water, because it's built on a false premise.
Truth doesn't change. If it has to change, it wasn't true to begin with, and if it wasn't true to begin with, it didn't come from God.
Coffee_black
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avengers
“As world events unfold in fulfilment of Bible propecies, we gradually get an ever clearer picture]”
The picture is already clear!!
As was said before 1975: In the book " Eternal Life in the Freedom of the sons of God" , written by the Watchtower in 1968 on page 30 :
"According to the chronology 6000 years since the creation of man will end in 1975. and the seventh period of thousand years of human history shall start in the fall of 1975. So soon, yes within this generation sixthousand years of human existance will end."
Armageddon was to take place " within months, not years ", thus speaketh the slave.
This has turned out to be pure bogus.
My question is: "How can we trust the words of the WT ever again?"The Bible states clearly that if a man speaks in the name of Jehovah and the words do not come true he is a false prophet.
I guess that the picture is still not clear for the WT leaders. (it will always get clearer, ofcourse)
And however the events will unfold, it never will get clear for them. but they will
always have a haze before their eyes.Draw your own conclusion.....................Andy
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qwerty
Qwerty
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peacefulpete
The two passages (Ezkiel and Rev)are often linked. So for some to see the newest article's lack of positive identification as evidence of a change in thinking is understandable and quite possibly insightful. It is however unlikely that any dramatic adjustment would be made in one article. It is more likely in my experience that they will build a series of similarly vague statements until a final denial and then declare the change was made years ago. Citing these vague references as proof.
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Room 215
However one cares to rationalize it, the statement in the 06/01/03 WT is clearly an equivocation or tempering of the once stidently proclaimed notion that ``the Scarlet Colored Wild Beast" will spearhead the assault on God's people.