Is morality today similar to what it was in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah?

by JH 10 Replies latest jw friends

  • JH
    JH

    Sodom and Gomorrah were so wicked that God deemed it best to destroy them. Abraham intervened, and the Lord said he would save the cities if even ten righteous were found therein. Of course, we know the result -- not even ten righteous could be found in those prosperous cities of the beautiful plains.

    So we all know what happened and God destroyed these cities.

    Do you think that the morality today is just as bad as it was then in these 2 cities?

    If it is just as bad, why doesn't God intervene like he did in the past? And if he doesn't intervene, does he owe an apology to these people of Sodom and Gomorrah?

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    I worked out by the rate of world population growth compared to witness growth, that every day that passes, AND even if the witness growth percentage was HIGHER than world population growth, he is still going to destroy an extra QUARTER OF A MILLION BABIES EACH DAY by waiting.

  • asortafairytale
    asortafairytale

    My friend recently heard a woman comparing the city we live in, and the neighboring city to Sodom and Gomorrah. Something about a hot-bed of homosexuality. Yeah, right. As a lesbian, I KNOW this to be false.

    If I remember correctly, isn't homosexuality one of the main reasons Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed? What is that scripture, about the men pounding on the door to get to the male angels? Hmmm...I don't remember now. My mind is going in my old age.

    ~Asortafairytale

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    JH, I'm not that old to make any comparisons. (pun intended) By the way, are you from Quebec?

    Guest 77

  • JH
    JH
    By the way, are you from Quebec?

    No, from Hawaii.

  • Sirona
    Sirona

    Would today's society put up with this:

    Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
    6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

    Lot offers the men his daughters to have sex with rather than a couple of male visitors. ????

    Then this guy LOT who was so bloody righteous he got saved from Sodom's fall did this:

    33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
    34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
    36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father.
    http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=GEN+19&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on
  • rocketman
    rocketman

    I don't think there's anywhere in the world today where a mob will demand sex, homosexual or heterosexual.

    While there are, I guess, hotbeds of promiscuity here and there (like sex clubs, etc), such places feature consensual activity. The situation in Sodom was not just sexual, but violent as well. In that respect, I don't think things are as bad today. On the other hand, there is rape and other predatory sexual behavior in many places. I guess it's just not concentrated in one locale like it was in Sodom.

  • rocketman
    rocketman

    Ballistic, your comment is very interesting. I've felt for a long time that the scripture in 2 Peter 3:9, about God being patient because he wants no one to be destroyed, a scripture that is used to show why God is supposedly waiting to bring Armageddon, simply means that more people are being born to eventually be destroyed.

  • jws
    jws
    I don't think there's anywhere in the world today where a mob will demand sex, homosexual or heterosexual.

    Haven't you ever heard of people being gang-raped? That could be called a "mob" demanding sex.

    But I thought S&G was destroyed because of general wickedness. Exactly what did that mean? Public torture? Rampant crime? Cannibalism? There could have been all sorts of things not mentioned. The only thing mentioned is the mob demanding to have homosexual sex. Actually, it would have been angel and man sex, not man and man. Is that even homosexual?

    Seems to me some things were pretty screwed up back then. Since when does a father offer up his daughters to a mob? Did he want the angels all to himself? Since when do daughters decide to get their father drunk and seduce him to have children? And since when does a "righteous" father go along with it? I've never been so drunk that I wouldn't recognize a family member. And if I did get that drunk (and at his probable age), I kinda question the ability to "function". OK, maybe he gets drunk enough to let his inhibitions down. He knows he shouldn't, but, maybe they're doing "things" to him, and in his state he gives in. I know there've been girls I know I should have just left alone, but a few beers later, they're coming on to you, and next thing you know.... OK, I'm not excusing him for incest, but let's say that's how he got duped. If he wasn't too drunk to "perform", he'll probably remember it when he sobers up. If he's righteous, he's going to feel guilty and try not to let it happen again. So, how come when the second daughter gives it a go, he still drinks and gets drunk again? If it were me, I wouldn't be drinking anything around those two after being tricked.

    At this particular time, there doesn't seem to have been any written "code of conduct" given to them by God, as the "Bible" hadn't been penned yet. So who's to say what was considered good and bad? Maybe all forms of sex were acceptable. Certainly having sex with the maid (concubine) was considered OK. Multiple wives were OK. Maybe even sex with family members and homosexual sex was considered OK. Maybe the guiding principle back then was something like the golden rule, basically, don't hurt anyone (mentally, physically, financially, etc). That's something everyone should be able to figure out, even without a "law". In the area of sex, consensual sex is usually not harmful, no matter what sexes or numbers are involved. It's all a matter of your upbringing as to deciding what makes it good or bad. Maybe back then, the thing was, "if it feels good, it is good". I might be missing a Bible passage, but we might be assuming homosexuality was part of the wickedness, when it could have been something totally different. In the example, the mob "rape" would be a hurtful act and may have been considered part of the wickedness, but maybe not the type of sex, if it had been consensual.

    So.... not knowing exactly what wickness they were guilty of, it's hard to say how we compare. If it was sale of children for food, then I'd say we're better off today. Again, don't know all they were guilty of or to what extent.

  • Swan
    Swan
    My friend recently heard a woman comparing the city we live in, and the neighboring city to Sodom and Gomorrah. Something about a hot-bed of homosexuality. Yeah, right. As a lesbian, I KNOW this to be false.

    If I remember correctly, isn't homosexuality one of the main reasons Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed? What is that scripture, about the men pounding on the door to get to the male angels? Hmmm...I don't remember now. My mind is going in my old age.

    Dear Asortafairytale,

    The Learning Channel did a very interesting segment on this about six months ago. You may want to watch for it to repeat. There are some who argue, and convincingly IMO, that it was gang rape that was being talked about in the Genesis story, not any particular kind of sex. Rape is a crime of violence. Had the angels materialized as women or children, would the crowd still have wanted them? Probably, if you believe the story is true.

    I don't have access to a Bible, but Ezekiel 16:49-50 seems to indicate it was about abuse on the part of greedy, uncaring, and selfishly mean people inhabiting those cities. They did not show the proper respect or hospitality to strangers, especially those who where recognized as being sent by God.

    I hope this helps. A whole segment of our society has had to live with the stigma generated by the narrow interpretation of this tale for far too long. Oh, and to answer the original question, no, our society today isn't as evil as that. There are many many good people in the world, regardless of sexual orientation.

    Tammy

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