The Danger of Settlements

by Tech49 182 Replies latest jw friends

  • careful
    careful

    tech49: you are correct. A strong precedent has been set and lawyers are lining up to find as many sexually abused (ex-) JWs as they can and milk the WTS dry. Given the org's financial problems, these lawyers must be having considerable success.

    smiddy: I can understand that certain abused people would get tired of the long process of a legal route for recompense and just settle out-of-court, especially with the way the WTS tries to wear them down with long, slow appeals and so on. If a person was a victim, likely the person would want to not go all through the experience again in giving testimony, so is often willing to get some kind of financial recompense and just move on in life.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    A strong precedent has been set

    What precedent was that?

  • Richard Oliver
    Richard Oliver

    That is one of the reasons that Watchtower is fighting to redact information from the reports. Zalkin says that the reason they want the file is to gather statistical data. Even the judge in the Pardon case asked Zalkin if they used a numbering system wouldn't that gather the needed information. Zalkin responded no, he says that the court cannot trust Watchtower in providing all the information that Watchtower may have. Watchtower says that Zalkin only wants the data so that he can fish for new clients. The court of appeals did say in California that a fishing expedition is legal. What Watchtower is saying int he Padron appeal is that third party personal information should be kept confidential, if the plaintiff wants statistical data they are entitled to that data but personal information they are not entitled too.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    RO: What information does Zalkin want from wt? What precedent is careful alluding to?

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    Courts have not dismissed cases filed against the wt alleging damages to Plaintiffs resulting from wt non-disclosing child abuse communications to the authorities in-spite of wt claims of confidentiality.

    Such cases have been accepted as valid by the Courts (at least in some states) regardless of wt confidentiality privilege which is a basis for the Courts to throw the cases out of Court prima facie -they haven't.

    The precedent that is being alluded to is, Courts not having dismissed cases filed against the wt based on wt claims of confidentiality has opened the door to other similar cases also to be heard by the Courts; and for those cases to have a similar outcome: wt pays money. That is what it seems .

    I am not saying that this is what the Courts will decide as a standard for all child abuse cases involving child abuse communications; "You knew about the child abuse and you kept it confidential, that is your privilege but you are legally liable for the damages resulting from non disclosure."

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    But the conflict is this. Wt cannot disclose child abuse communications as per US law. It violates US law. But by the same token any state can pass laws requiring wt and every other religion (or it would be unconstitutional) to report communications protected by US law under the First Amendment to local authorities in-spite of US law mandating such communications from being disclosed.

    And where do you draw the line? Should attorneys also be required to report child abuse under a protected setting? Suppose a child abuser went free and he molested again?

  • Richard Oliver
    Richard Oliver

    Zalkin in the Lopez case was asking for all of Watchtowers documents on child abuse cases that have been reported to them. That was the basis for the 13 million dollar sanction back in 2015. The Court of Appeals ruled in 2016 that Lopez and his attorney are entitled to those documents as part of the discovery process. The Court ruled that the documents and files may or may not be admissible in a trial court, they did not decide that part of it. The question before the Appeals Court was, does Lopez have the right to the documents, whether the documents can be used in court or not, and the Court ruled that he is entitled to the documents, even if it is just for a fishing expedition. The Court though never had before them the question of how much of those documents could be redacted, the court ruled that third party information is private and can be redacted by Watchtower. Subsequently, in the Pardon case both sides stipulated to a protective order on the documents. That is what Zalkin talked about in the Trey Bundy interview, that he has all of these documents but he cannot talk about them. The protective order basically states that the plaintiff's attorney and those working with them, in a legally established activity, can look at the documents, read them, and determine how best to use them in their current civil case, but those documents cannot be shared with anyone else nor can they be used in any other legal matter. In fact part of the order is that once the case is resolved within 30 days all the documents must be destroyed by Zalkin.

    In the Padron case Watchtower redacted all third party information including abuse victim's names, abuser's names, congregation names, witnesses' names, elder's names and so forth. Zalkin argued that the redaction was too onerous and that the information could not be used. The judge, in that case, asked Zalkin what the purpose of the documents would be used for. Zalkin stated that his intention to use that information was to get statistical data to show a jury that Watchtower has all of these unreported cases. The judge asked why can't you use the redacted information to gather that statistical data, since you are not going to tell the jury third parties personal information. Zalkin responded that he and his investigators want the full information so that they can check to see if Watchtower has provided him with all the information that they have, by checking on legal authority or media reports. In essence he stated that the Court cannot trust Watchtower to turn over all of the documents. Watchtower said that Zalkin is trying to use the information in order to get more clients in suing Watchtower. They point to Lopez, where the plaintiff had no desire to sue or want to even talk about what he went through until Zalkin's investigator-initiated contact with him about what happened to Lopez and encouraged him to become a client of Zalkin.

    The other argument that Watchtower is using for keeping the documents redacted is that it would force a California court to rule on the laws of other states. The data that Zalkin is requesting is not limited in time or geographic location but he wants all documents held by Watchtower. Each state has their own laws on child abuse, reporting and priest-penitent privilege along with their own common law precedents which would require the court to rule on those laws.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    RO: It appears that state law is violating the 1st amendment when confidential comunications have to be disclosed by Court Order. What is your opinion?

    RO: ARe you saying that WT disclosed confidential information about all child abuse cases they have on file to Zalkin in comliance with a Court Order?

  • Richard Oliver
    Richard Oliver

    It depends on the state. Some states recognize elders as having confidential communication and some states don't, the latter being the minority. And yes Watchtower did turn over those redacted documents in the Padron case.

    Also in the Lopez case, Watchtower has been prepared to turn over the documents as well, but Zalkin and Lopez will not agree to a stipulation for a protective order.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman
    some states don't, the latter being the minority.

    That seems unconstitutional.


    RO, why doesn wt apppeal to a higher court claiminng confidentiality?

    Watchtower has been prepared to turn over the documents as well,

    If they do, it violates confidentiality. Even if Zalkin agrees to a protective order.


    Each state has their own laws on child abuse, reporting and priest-penitent privilege.

    Appears to conflict with Federal law. Why hasn't wt taken it to SCOUS.

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