Cedar Point Ohio 🙄🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

by xaminewt 14 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  xaminewt

  I started doubting the organization when I was 15. I spent the next 12 years doing in-depth research involving numerous emails with Bible scholars and scientists. I finally left the organisation 3 years ago. Technically I was never actually a JW as I was never baptised, so I’m not being shunned. I can sometimes be very very pedantic when it comes to my research and I understand that some people may find what I’m about to say completely ridiculous, but here goes:

  The organisation says that the 1,290 days in Daniel 12:11 are about their organisation. Specifically the 1922 Cedar point Ohio convention. I don’t buy this, I believe Daniel is about Antiochus Epiphanes, but the fact that the WT can somehow make it fit their history really messes with my head. After all, you can imagine a scenario that they just couldn’t make it fit their history whatever they did. The fact they can make it fit (at all), I think, requires some kind of explanation. So far my best explanation is this:

  1) finding a “match” isn’t that unlikely considering that there were many other days that noteworthy events took place on. So the chance of a “hit” isn’t that unlikely.

  2) Dan 11:31 mentions the “disgusting thing that causes desolation” and they claim it’s the setting up of the UNITED NATIONS near the end of WW2. However in Dan. 12 (the scripture they use to get to Cedar Point Ohio), they say it refers to the setting up of the League of Nations in 1919, so it’s inconsistent. It also means they could have started the 1,260 days in 1944, but as it didn’t fit they tried another interpretation.

  Both these points mean that the odds of finding some date that fits their interpretation is more likely. But somehow it still surprises me. Just wondering if I’m going completely mad?
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  BluesBrother

  No … it is the numerology that is “mad”.

  Franky , trying to make sense of something that has no sense is a waste of time. The Witnesses hardly ever talk about this kind of stuff anymore and it is only old timers like us that are aware of it ..
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  Phizzy

  I rejected the Cedar Point Ohio nonsense, when I was in my late teens , in the late 1960's.

  I simply could not believe that a Bible Prophecy would be fulfilled in Rutherford and a few followers holding some small Convention, unnoticed by the World.

  Sadly I went no further, and did not question properly the 1914 thing until many decades later, I do remember my mother telling me about the Ray Franz thing, 1981 ? and saying "They are saying they do not believe in 1914 !". I recall thinking at the time, "I'm not sure I do either", but still went no further then.

  It was years later that I sat down and thought " I'll read the Book of Daniel today, as though I've never read it before, and without W.T. "Spectacles" on ", of course from then on the 1914 thing was blown out of the water, entirely, I researched some more, and shortly after walked away for good. The whole House of Cards that is their unique teachings fell down, just using the Bible,and what it REALLY said !

  I was a Lover of Truth, and could no longer associate with a "religion" which taught Lies.
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  Gorb

  A shame that I once believed this nonsense. I remember a WT from the 60’s reprint that made a reference between a bible text and the length of a WT property block in Brooklyn.

  There is so much doctrine sh@t in JW history, that we can conclude that the theologians and writers were a bunch of idiots. Even better: charlatans.

  Gorby
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  dropoffyourkeylee

  A lot of the early JW nonsense came from the mind of Clayton Woodworth. He was one of the authors of the 'Finished Mystery', and editor of the Golden Age. Total bunk.
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  Diogenesister

  What I'd like to know is did anybody actually believe that Cedar Point nonsense?😂 And the "Seven prophetic Trump's"?!(Not that Trump I mean the ones signifying Watchtower's early conventions?). Thinking back...not using your present awake brain, but your JW brain...did you read that stuff and actually think "ah that makes total sense"?!🤔😂
  

  I remember being gob-smacked when I read the 7 blasts of Revelation were apparently 6 US & 1 British convention date🥴 (I assumed it was some gobbledegook the old folks brought with them from their Babylon-ish prior religions).

  Yet it still didn't twig that If they got THAT wrong, maybe they had everything else wrong, too.🤦🏻‍♀️
  
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  Jeffro

  It’s just a plain old ‘Texas Sharp shooter’ fallacy. And not a very good one because the League of Nations was founded in January 1920 anyway, not 1919.
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  nowwhat?

  Surely we can see evidence of Jehovah's blessing on cedar point. It's one the best amusement parks in the world!
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  LongHairGal

  XAMINEWT:

  Regarding that Cedar Point convention: I didn’t buy it either.

  Even when I was ‘in’, I NEVER believed that anything that happened in the Jehovah’s Witness religion was the fulfillment of anything in the Bible.

  I kept this to myself but I never believed it.
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  Journeyman

  It's interesting that even the present-day GB realised what a mess they had on their hands with the legacy of all these overly-detailed and proscriptive "prophetic" statements about specific events in the history of the Bible Students' and early JWs.

  That's why, a few years ago, they had a clear out by simply declaring that "types" and "anti-types" were to be discarded unless the Bible explicitly makes such comparisons.

  The problem for the org is, at a stroke, they undermined the vast majority of all their detailed "justifications" for being Jehovah's sole anointed channel in modern times, as foretold from of old in Scripture. So no more are the anointed or elements of the organisation's history the "Greater or lesser" this or the "Typical or anti-typical" that.

  I don't think even now most JWs realise the huge ramifications of the GB tearing up all of that "spiritual heritage" in one fell swoop. (JWs of the older generations, in mean - anyone who's been in the org less than about 15-20 years would have no idea anyway about all these old "prophetic" interpretations). All those articles, all those study publications - the two Isaiah Prophecy books, the Rev Climax book, the Jeremiah and Daniel books, etc - all consigned to a weird limbo where they exist buried in the JW Library as text only (and of course hard copies mouldering on the shelves of older Witnesses), but are never officially referred to in meetings or publications now.
  
  For many older ones, it's probably why so many have now left or drifted and either become inactive or are just coasting along. What's the point, when everything you have invested your hopes and energies into for decades has now been erased at a stroke, by the very people who are supposed to be your "spiritual shepherds", feeding you "life-saving food at the proper time"?