Dearest Noko...

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AGuest

May you have peace. I can see through my "Member Directory" where you have responded to the post regarding John 1:1. I cannot, however, see what your response is, as I no longer have authority to revisit that thread. In truth, I should have left it some time ago, but in wanting to provide to all those who demand it a reason for my hope... I went back. I cannot now, for to do so would be disobedience on my part. I was granted twice to do my own will; I will no longer put my Lord to the test.
Thus, if you have stated anything therein which asks a response from me, even with regard to the subject previously discussed, my Lord, please re-post it here, for I will most certainly reply. If it is just commentary on what has recently occurred , then I would ask that it be left there... in that thread. For it is of no further benefit... to anyone... for me to respond there.
I do ask, however, of you and any others who are interested, that if and when I respond to you... you grant me leave to tell the TRUTH of where I receive my information. Or rather, the truth of WHOM I receive it from. None of that which I share with you or any here... is of my own initiative: I do not know these things, but speak just I as hear, from the spirit of my Father that is in me, by means of my Lord. If one cannot believe that, then out of love I would say to that one to first "test" the inspired expression. This can be done in two ways. The BEST way... is to approach God Himself, through the Son, and ASK. The second way... would be to research the scriptures. Trouble is, and I have said this often... all that is contained in the Bible is NOT scripture... all that is SCRIPTURE is not contained in the Bible... and much of what IS scripture and IS in the Bible... has been tampered with. I do not ask that you believe me; all I ask is that you believe the One who SENT me. If you can, good. If you cannot... my love and peace remains, of course.
(My Lord directs me to explain what is stated above:
1. All that is in the Bible is NOT scripture. The Bible SAYS what is scripture at Luke 24:32 and 44. All "scripture" is inspired... and LUKE... is not inspired: Luke 1:1-4.
2. All that is scripture is NOT in the Bible - Numbers 21:14; Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18; the Gospel of Barnabas; the Gospel of Thomas; the Gospel of Mary (the Magdalene; the 1st letter of Paul to the Corinthians - that which is canonized in the Bible is his 2nd and 3rd letters; the first one was destroyed - 1 Corinthians 5:9; 2 Corinthians 12:14; 13:1)
3. Much of what IS in the Bible... scripture and otherwise... has been copied by the "false stylist" of the "secretaries"... just as what is scripture but is NOT in the Bible has been removed... and/or destroyed - Jeremiah 8:8; Revelation 22:19
I know how important it is for us to have something to put our faith in. For so many, it is the Bible, which they consider to be God's word... written down. I, too, felt that way... but have been taught by my Lord that I no longer need to. For he says I can search the scriptures... or I can come to him. I came... to him. The result? Refreshment... for my soul... and my flesh. How so? In many ways, but one in particular was that I was able to finally PUT OFF the WEARINESS caused due to the "many books" that have been made... and "much devotion" to them.
Eccelesiastes 12:7
I have chosen, instead, to follow the Lamb... and the NEW Covenant... the Law of which is written... for ME... not on stone tablets... or with a reed in ink... but just as the following says:
Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10; 10:15, 16; Romans 2:29
I have not rejected my Lord. Rather, I obey the FATHER when He says of His Son... LISTEN... to HIM.
Matthew 17:5; John 10:27
Some, however, would rather have me leave off from doing this... ignore the spirit... and lean on my OWN understanding... or theirs. Just as the Pharisees of my Lord's day in the flesh when those who were NOT "versed" in the Law spoke truth to THEM. I cannot do that and my hope is that those with ears will hear me when I say that... and understand. If not, so be it.
As always, I bid you peace.
A slave of Christ,
SJ

noko

Dearest slave of Christ,

I've started to read your other posts starting at, you guest it, post #1 and up. You have written alot of stuff , I made it up to like 80 something, and really not going into the scriptures, at least as of yet. So far the consistency in what you relate is. . what can I say. . very consistent . Now you have over 1900 posts of true witnessing of revelations given to you from our Lord. I have alot of reading to do don't I? Still all thanks and praise really goes to Jah and his Son. Believe it or not, I was told to come here (yes this forum) to do what? To find you.

Now our Lord did ask a question which you relayed to me, well I did my best to answer that in the previous thread which I will repeat here.

AGuest, here are some scriptures dealing with God living in us to also consider:

Joh 14:23

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Mr 9:37

Whosoever shall receive one of such little children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever receiveth me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

2co 6:16

And what agreement hath a temple of God with idols? for we are a temple of the living God; even as God said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1jo 1:3

that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you also, that ye also may have fellowship with us: yea, and our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ:

If the Father and Son abode in us AGuest as a living temple, which one is the Holy Spirit? If Jesus is the Holy Spirit then what do we call Jehovah in us? Can the Holy Spirit be both Father and Son? Or is the Spirit of Truth Jesus and the Holy Spirit Jehovah's?

To answer your question about "By what means... and whom... did Mary become pregnant? The means was from the Holy Spirit (The Father) prepared a body for his Spiritual Son (Jesus the Son Of God).

Heb 10:5

Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, "Sacrifice and offering you didn`t desire, But a body did you prepare for me;

The whom or where the seed came from for the fleshly body is from King David:

2sa 7:12

When thy days are fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, that shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

Making Jesus the Son Of David and the Son Of God.

Ro 1:3

concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,

Ro 1:4

who was declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead; [even] Jesus Christ our Lord,

Peace and love to all.

AGuest

Dearest Noko... peace to you, dear one!
I am happy... and embarrassed... that you have read the previous posts: happy, because it will give you a glimpse of "who" I am... what my... ummmm... "commission" is; embarrassed, because, in truth, it is not mine - it was given to me and I simply posted it, either directly just as I heard it... or later, as a further explanation of what I had heard perhaps sometime before. Thus, I cannot take credit for the lion's share of it, truly. That would be plagerism, theft. 98% of the time, I simply write what I hear and am told to write.
Now, to respond to your questions... and THANK YOU for re-posting them here; that was truly loving and kind of you:
Or is the Spirit of Truth Jesus and the Holy Spirit Jehovah's?
My understanding is this (and I will post something to perhaps help those with ears understand even better, but work calls and this might be briefer, so):
JAH, our heavenly Father, has like us... blood... semen... water... "life's water"... which is His life source. We... have red hemoglobin, which we inherited from Adam, which Adam did NOT have, at first. At FIRST, Adam had God's blood... or rather God's SPIRIT... HOLY SPIRIT... in him. Since "the life is in the blood," Adam's life BEFORE his sin, was in HIS blood, GOD's blood... HOLY SPIRIT... that was in him. Once he sinned, he was given a "long garmet of skin," which contained red hemoglobin, the blood WE have, having inherited it FROM Adam. That blood... red hemoglobin... has sin... AND death... in it. Thus, we die.
By means of GOD's blood, however, HOLY SPIRIT... we can live. The body that contains holy spirit as its "blood"... is SUSTAINED by the "leaves of the Tree (of Life)"... and "water"... HOLY SPIRIT... from the Rock-Mass.
Holy spirit that is God's life force, however, life SOURCE... is not THE Holy Spirit. Please bear with me, for my commute to work calls, and I have much to say on this subject. I will do so in a separate thread, which I will post sometime later today (lunch break or after work).
To answer your question about "By what means... and whom... did Mary become pregnant? The means was from the Holy Spirit (The Father) prepared a body for his Spiritual Son (Jesus the Son Of God).
First, I have to say that the quote at Hebrews 10:5... is not exact. I refer you to the Psalm in question, 40:6. Such "preparation" is stated there, and it has to do with EARS... to hear. Okay.
My understanding on this is that God... by MEANS of His holy spirit... His "semen"... impregnated Mary and with her created a child, Christ. By means of His spirit, the body of that child was sinFUL in its flesh (Romans 8:1)... but SOME of that sinfulness was overcome by sinLESSness... in its spirit. So that, although he would get sick and even die (both of which are the result of the sin in his FLESH), by means of his HEART, the child could and would learn obedience. Thus, the body, while flesh... had SPIRITUAL ears... which were "prepared" for it... due to a CLEAN spirit.
I have to go. I will respond with more, later, dear Noko.
Peace to you!
Your servant and a slave of Christ,
SJ
noko

Peace to you AGuest as well and may Jehovah be with you always,
Consider that seed in the Bible also means semen AGuest or sperm. Now Luke states:
Lu 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Lu 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke refers the father of Jesus to be king David. I belive the flesh Jesus inherited was of David in other words semen directly from King David. We know that Mary had no sexual relations with Joseph who was an offspring of David but what was conceived in Mary's womb was of David by Holy Spirit. Maybe I am being to literal here so I will continue
Ac 2:29
Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Ac 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Even being dead Jehovah could raise up David's Son after him in Mary. If Elijah spirit could be born into John the Baptist then having a child of King David to be born after his death which was a promise of Jehovah and prophecy of Nathan to which would inherit his Kingdom directly from his bowels or body does seem resonable to me. In short if King David is Jesus father and Mary was his mother which it is written then Jesus was indeed a Man, Son of Man, Son of Adam in the flesh.
Now being conceived of the Holy Spirit (Our Lord), The Only Begotten Son Of Jehovah took on or put on flesh in the womb of Mary, a Son Of David but being Jehovah Son as well the Son Of God?
Ps 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Ps 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Ps 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
AGuest I've havn't looked this up, but doesn't Kingship only pass through from Son to Son? As in Mary could not pass on King David's throne since of being a women and not a man? In any case peace and much love to you AGuest and bless are you.
May we see the truth in all things for the glory of our Father Jehovah through his Son JAHESHUAH MISCHAJAH.
nowisee

(way off the subject, and not meaning to interrupt - happy birthday, noko!)
i am trying to keep up, despite my crazy schedule, and reading with interest what you both write. thank you.
love and best wishes, nowisee
AGuest

Dearest Noko... may you have peace... and happy birthday!
My spirit bears witness with the truth of what you have posted, that my Lord is David's son... in the flesh. But by what means? By means of MARY. Mary... was a direct descendant of David, as was her fleshly husband, Joseph. Thus, there could be NO mistake that a "lion" came out of "Judah", the tribe to which David belonged.
As regards you question of kingship and how it "passes", you asked:
... doesn't Kingship only pass through from Son to Son? As in Mary could not pass on King David's throne since of being a women and not a man?
My answer to you on this would be "no," and I would give Melchizedek, the King of Salem, as well as Jeroboam, the son of no king, as examples. For my heavenly Father, JAH... shows mercy upon whomever HE wishes to show it... and both of these issues, that of David's 'seed' and the lack of geneology being necessary (i.e. Melchizedek) is shown in Hebrews 7:14-16.
I bid you peace, dear Noko, and a great end to your day. Also, I will post what I promised earlier, after I have helped a friend with an "internet" project. It may take awhile, but I return before bedtime.
Your servant and a slave of Christ,
SJ
UnDisfellowshipped

Hello Noko, and Hello AGuest,
I realize that AGuest may not want to speak with me or have anything to do with me, and I understand. I am not here to argue with AGuest.
(I do want to mention that I have absolutely no hard feelings or anger or hate towards AGuest at all)
Noko, I just wanted to post a couple of my thoughts on something AGuest said in this Thread:
My understanding on this is that God... by MEANS of His holy spirit... His "semen"... impregnated Mary and with her created a child, Christ. By means of His spirit, the body of that child was sinFUL in its flesh (Romans 8:1)... but SOME of that sinfulness was overcome by sinLESSness... in its spirit. So that, although he would get sick and even die (both of which are the result of the sin in his FLESH), by means of his HEART, the child could and would learn obedience. Thus, the body, while flesh... had SPIRITUAL ears... which were "prepared" for it... due to a CLEAN spirit.
First, let's look at Romans Chapter 8:
Romans 8:1-4: There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the Law of sin and of death. For what was impossible for the Law to do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and concerning sin, He condemned sin in the Flesh, so that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Jesus Christ's Human Body was definitely NOT "sinful" as AGuest calls it.
Romans Chapter 8 simply says that God sent Jesus in "the likeness of sinful flesh".
What does the Greek word for "likeness" mean?
Strong's Bible Dictionary Definition of "homoio¯ma":
a form; abstractly resemblance: - made like to, likeness, shape, similitude.
Basically that word means "appearance" or "resemblance" or "shape" or "made like".
So, I am 100% sure that Romans Chapter 8 was saying that Jesus came in the "appearance" of sinful flesh, in other words, He looked like a normal human being.
However, it is quite obvious from the Scriptures that Jesus Christ came in the same exact type of flesh as Adam had BEFORE Adam sinned. Notice:
1 Corinthians 15:45: Thus also it is written, "The first man Adam became a living soul;" the Last Adam became a Life-Giving Spirit.
Jesus Christ is called the "Last Adam", therefore, it seems obvious to me that Jesus had the same type of Human Body that Adam had before Adam sinned.
What did Jehovah God say about Adam's body BEFORE Adam sinned?
Genesis 1:26-27: And God said, Let Us make man in Our Image, after Our Likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping on the earth. And God created man in His Image; in the Image of God He created him. He created them male and female. (Verse 31:) And God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
By saying that Adam's body was created sinful, is saying that God created sin, and intentionally put sin inside of humans. Thus that would make God guilty of all of the sin and death that has ever happened.
Adam's body was created Perfect, with absolutely no defects at all.
Adam's body was created Mortal.
What does that mean? It simply means that Adam had the freedom to choose whether or not he would be faithful to God OR whether he would sin, and if he chose to sin, then his flesh would die. And, once Adam sinned, THEN his flesh was sinful, and he passed that sinful flesh to all of us.
What is sin? It is not some mystical force or entity.
Sin simply means that you have "missed the mark" of perfection, you have disobeyed any of God's Commandments, even in the smallest way.
For instance, if you were to take home a pen from the company you work for, in God's eyes, you have sinned -- you have broken God's Commandment: "You shall not steal".
Another example: if you were to lust after a married person in your heart, then, in God's eyes, you have committed adultery with that person in your heart.
God must punish sin. He cannot let sin go without a punishment being given.
And that is why Jesus Christ came to earth, to receive the punishment that each and every one of us deserves for our sins.
Jesus could not have died for us if His Flesh had been "sinful" as AGuest has claimed.
Notice the following Scriptures, which explain this:
2 Corinthians 5:21: For He [The Father] made Him [The Son] who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him [The Son].
It says that Jesus "did not know any sin", but God "made Him sin" -- in other words God punished Jesus for our sins. He placed ALL of our sins into His Body on the Cross.
John 8:46: Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
Hebrews 4:15-16: For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but having been tempted in all respects in quite the same way as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us come boldly to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Hebrews 7:26-27: For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, innocent, undefiled, having been separated from sinners, and has become higher than the Heavens; who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices beforehand, in behalf of His own sins and then for the people's, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
Hebrews 9:14: by how much more shall the Blood of Christ, who through the Eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, will cleanse your conscience from dead works in order that we might serve the Living God?
1 Peter 1:18-19: knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your futile way of life handed down from your forefathers, but with the Precious Blood of Christ, as of a lamb blameless and spotless,
1 John 3:5: And you know that He appeared that He might take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.
1 Peter 2:21-24: For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving behind an example for you, that you should follow in His footsteps, "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, being verbally abused, did not return verbal insults, when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His Body on the tree, in order that having died to sins, we might live unto righteousness--by whose stripes you were healed.
The Apostle Peter [and John, and the writer of Hebrews, and Jesus Himself] said that Jesus NEVER sinned at all.
And that is very true, because if Jesus had done even one little, tiny sin, then He could not have offered Himself as a Sacrifice to The Father for our sins. Why is that?
Leviticus 22:20-25 [The Literal Translation of the Holy Bible]: You shall not offer that which has a blemish; for it shall not be acceptable for you. And when a man brings near a sacrifice of peace offerings to Jehovah, to complete a vow, or for a freewill offering, of the herd or of the flock, it shall be without blemish to be accepted; no blemish shall be in it; blind, or broken, or maimed, or having a flow, or scurvy, or scabbed, you shall not bring these near to Jehovah; and you shall not make of them a fire offering on the altar to Jehovah. As to an ox or a sheep deformed, or dwarfed, you shall make it a freewill offering; but it is not acceptable for a vow. As to anything bruised, or beaten, or torn, or cut, you shall not bring it near to Jehovah; even you shall not do it in your land. And you shall not bring near the bread of your God from the hand of a son of a stranger, or any of these, for their corruption is in them; they are blemished; they are not acceptable for you.
So, the Bible clearly shows that Jesus never sinned, and that His Body was a Perfect Mortal Body just like Adam's was before Adam sinned.
AGuest

Please know that I have nothing "against" you, neither hate nor bad feelings nor will I refrain from speaking to you. What I will NOT do is return to a thread from which I have been directed to refrain... nor will I wish you peace, for the peace that I did wish you I've had to ask to return to me. So be it.
Adam was made in the likeness of God and therefore, originally, would not... could not... die. Christ was sent... TO die. Adam was created in a manner where he did not "know" good AND bad; his desire to know "bad" caused him to sin... and so he died. Christ... KNEW good... AND bad... but learned to CHOOSE... and thus, did NOT sin... but yet died. This latter would render the TRUTH that the wage of sin is death UNTRUE... for where there is no sin... there is no death. Yet, Christ died. Why? Because of HIS sin? No... because of OURS... which he carried in his body.
Why did the statement at Romans simply say that God sent his son in the likeness of flesh? Why mention sinFUL flesh? Because there was a POINT: God GAVE him a body that could carry sin IN it. A "perfect mortal body" cannot CARRY sin IN it. Why? Because THEN... it would no longer be "perfect" and become full of sin... or sinFUL. A "little leaven... ferments the WHOLE lump."
His SPIRIT, however, the man he was on the INSIDE... was sinLESS: he was withOUT guile... withOUT deceit... withOUT hypocrisy... IN him... so that he presented a PERFECT sacrifice: what was poured out came from within a vessel clean... ON THE INSIDE.
A "perfect mortal body"... does not die. It was with a sinFUL mortal body that my Lord died... and sinLESS spirit body that he was raised up. Spirit bodies can put on and put off flesh - angels did/do it ALL the time. That is why they appeared as "ABLE-bodied" men.
Adam did not know death... until he committed a sin. My Lord NEVER committed a sin... and yet... he died. How can be? It can ONLY be if, in truth, he did NOT die (and he didn't; he only "fell asleep")... but rather, his FLESH died... due to the sin in IT. It had to be "sowed"... buried. The "earthen VESSEL" that held the "treasure" which is his SPIRIT... had to BE such a vessel... in order to carry... not HIS his sins (for he had none)... but OURS... IN it. Thus, God made him... in the likeness... of sinFUL flesh... not sinLESS flesh. Reading comprehension.
You say that Adam's body was "created Mortal". If this is so, then we... MORTALS... bear ADAM's image. For God... is IMMORTAL. But Adam was NOT created "mortal", but with a body that could go one way... or the other. It was due to his CHOICE as to which way he finally went: mortality. And it the image of that choice... in whose likeness WE are made.
Genesis 3:22
For mortals... do not live forever... because it s that which is IMMORTAL... that lives forever. And such is in CHRIST's image... the One who lives... forever and ever. If we are to be raised only to put on MORTALITY... "corruption" again... what is the POINT? If death is "no more"... then IMMORTALITY is what WILL reign. God was able to say it was "good" after creating Adam... because there was NO death IN HIM at the time of his being created.
Sin simply means that you have "missed the mark" of perfection, you have disobeyed any of God's Commandments, even in the smallest way.
My question to YOU, then, would be in what way has a newborn "sinned" so that they have disobeyed God? What if such newborn dies? For what "sin" did they die? Was it not the "filth" of the flesh... sickness... that caused such death? You are using the WTBTS' all-encompassing definition for sin, which does not quite suffice. For there is sin of the FLESH... and sin... of the SPIRIT. We DIE... in the flesh... because of the sin that is carried... in our flesh... which sin... we inherited from Adam. However, such death is TEMPORARY... there can be a resurrection to life from it.
It is sin... of the SPIRIT... however, that condemns us to "judgment" resulting in DESTRUCTION in the Lake of Fire. Adam's FLESH... had NO sin IN it. Thus, HIS sin... was deliberate... the result... of a CHOICE. And even then, mercy could have been shown him. But... he failed to CONFESS his sin, take responsibility for it, and apologize for it. Rather, he blamed others, including God.
My Lord's FLESH... had sin IN it... by means of his carrying the sins of others. Yet, even WITH such sinful flesh... that which caused him pain and groaning... he did not sin... WITH HIS SPIRIT.
I have to go now... work. If possible, I will continue this later, if need be. If not, then so be it.
You are in my prayers... for as I said to you before, you did not know what you were doing. I know this, and my Lord knows this. May his mercy be upon you. Truly.
A slave of Christ,
SJ
DJ

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NOKO!!!!!!
DJ

nowisee......here are a few teachings of Aguest...
* Jesus is a hymen.
* The holy spirit is semen.
* Jesus Christ's Human Body was SINFUL, it was born in sin.
* Jesus Christ was a sick man, He had leprosy.
* All Christians will become gods in the same way that Jesus is a god.
* The Holy Spirit is Jesus.
* The holy spirit [no capital letters] is God's power, God's blood, and God's semen.
* Adam's body was created SINFUL by God [God created sin].
* Jesus is "a god".
* Jesus was created.
* Jesus did not make Heaven and Earth.
* People who DO NOT believe in the True Jesus can be saved if they do enough good works!
* People who believe in a FALSE CHRIST can be saved if they do enough good works!
* There is no soul/spirit that leaves the body at death.
* The Bible has been corrupted and perverted and is NOT God's Word!
* The New Testament (except for Revelation) was NEVER Inspired by God!
* AGuest listens to, and obeys some sort of voice, which she claims is Christ's voice.
* AGuest claims all of the above information was given to her from this voice

Dearest Noko...

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